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Kerry was and is a true decorated war hero. And it is driving the neocons nut especially when we look at the war records of president Cheney and vice president Bush.. Art, it isn't driving anyone nuts save maybe the people who are trying so hard to convince the rest of the world of the validity of Kerry's service. The people who have been in and around the military in the last 40 years aren't being swayed. Until military people are convinced that Kerry's service was exactly as it is described in his citations, I doubt if anyone who is a conserative will be swayed in the least or be driven nuts. Few vets have stepped forward to support Kerry's account of events. The military is still getting over the Carter and Clinton legacies of neglect and disrespect and isn't apt to make an exodus towards the Democratic side any time soon in any event. I have two sons in the miltary and have spent 34 years combined actiove duty and civilian with the Air Force so I have some insight in this regard. The attempt to play up Kerry as a war hero and put down Bush as a deserter has been nothing more all along than an attempt for the Democrats to gain traction with the military and it has failed. All it has done is to serve as a rallying point for people who want to see Bush out rather than to win hearts and minds of the opposition. Right now we have a candidate who has a record of fighting terorism and another candidate whose position on just about everything is either uncertain or waivering. This is more about the bitter people who feel the election was "stolen" than it is about candidates. The loss of that election shifted the power balance in the federal government somewhat, an unacceptable situation to the Democratic would-be power brokers. Frankly I can't imagine Algore as President given his behavior since the election So tell me, what would Kerry do that is so wonderful and how would we as a people better off. Don't start with feeling unsafe - we have always been unsafe but just awfully naive in the past about our enemies. We just haven't wanted to believe we were in danger. Now we know we are and it has nothing to do with the current president. I am not sure Europe matters as much as some would like to believe at this juncture either. The future lies with Eastern Europe and Asia, both of which have generally supported our efforts in Iraq. The economy? Jobs? They are improving so obviously not a players either. Maybe someone can convince me otherwise but I am certain this is more over hatred of Bush over the loss of the last election, Gore won????? People seem to forget that the overseas absentee ballots for the military were not counted because of another technicality as obtuse as hanging chads. Those votes could well have changed the outcome of the popular vote as well. |
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I hereby confer upon you a proper title which you have earned by dint
of your advanced age and heartily embraced political ideology: I dub thee "paleo-lib". Henceforth, you shall be referred to subsequent to each incorrect application of neo-con as our resident "paleo-lib. So whqt does that make our generation, Ed? I am not ready just yet to be called a paleocon. |
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Steve Mellenthin wrote:
I hereby confer upon you a proper title which you have earned by dint of your advanced age and heartily embraced political ideology: I dub thee "paleo-lib". Henceforth, you shall be referred to subsequent to each incorrect application of neo-con as our resident "paleo-lib. So whqt does that make our generation, Ed? I am not ready just yet to be called a paleocon. I registered to vote a few years before Ed (1960) and I'm not ready to be called a paleocon either. Conservative yes, life-long Republican yes, but (sob), I'm too young to be called paleo anything. BSEG George |
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Cub Driver wrote:
can't see the aileron horn coming at you. OW ! OW ! OW ! At least you managed not to pour avgas over the fresh wound when checking the sump. |
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
On 12 Jul 2004 13:41:05 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote: Kerry was and is a true decorated war hero. Who by his own admission in sworn Senate testimony was personally guilty of committing war crimes and atrocities as well as personally observing them in his role as a commissioned officer yet not doing anything to stop them. I'm not convinced JFK would recognize a war crime if it was giftwrapped and handed to him. He seems to think that use of an M2 is a war crime. That being said, I have no problem with his stance on being against armed conflict. He's seen the elephant up close and personal, and killed face to face. He was anti-war to begin with, enlisted anyway and served with what appears to be significant leadership under some pretty nasty combat. His initial PH, I don't know enough about to comment on. His later actions, including the famed dismount from the boat to engage a VC with an RPG seem pretty gutsy and straightforward. The firsthand accounts from his boat crew on that day were on a major news show recently (60 minutes ?). I saw no problems in judgement. Whether his subsequent discharge hinged on the first PH, I don't know. I wonder about how it compares to someone like Sgt. Kregg Jorgenson who continued walking point after several PHs and being very badly shot up... Kerry's subsequent voting record, especially in the very tense 80s, is something I *do* question. He was against virtually every major and necessary defense program, including those that turned out to be excellent purchases (like - the M1 Abrahms tank, the Patriot missile system, etc). His persistent lack of understanding the principles of defense programs and infrastructure, and of strategy and grand strategy is where I find my biggest differences with him. It's fortunate that he has come down squarely on BOTH sides of every issue - so I can tell he agrees with me and always has - but I can't be confident he'll carry out the solutions to these same issues. You're enamored of a new word, which you continue to use without regard to its origins or even its meaning. You may continue to use it, although since I've been a "conservative" since I first registered to vote in 1963, I don't think there's anything particularly "neo" about me. A lot of people seem to use "neo" to indicate "similar to but an extreme form of...". I think I like "paraconservative" better. |
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from Greece
to the Bay of Pigs. We know what they were and why they happened. We ought to be able to do it better this time around. In any case, we need a wider range of options, and greater latitude to act pre-emptively when we see a bad situation developing. Chris Mark Well put Chris. I agree completely. |
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