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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:23:05 -0000, "Spiv" wrote:
No. See Keith's post. I did and it is just inane babble. The Comet was first in 1958. Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans atlantic services you ignorant clown. The Nimrod (a Comet) is a cost effective plane It is ********. Cost effectiveness is the reason why just about every other country in the world uses propellor driven aircraft for maritime patrol. greg -- You do a lot less thundering in the pulpit against the Harlot after she marches right down the aisle and kicks you in the nuts. |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... Slowly in a water tank surrounded by cameramen Sure, you can do anything in a movie. The "Airport" series got weirder with each film. I have a 1977-78 edition of Janes ATWA, it gives the volume of the passenger deck of a basic Model 747 as 27,860 cubic feet. A cubic foot of water weighs over 62 pounds, so the dry passenger deck is displacing over 1.7 million pounds, which is more than twice the maximum takeoff weight. |
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message news:yAbRb.27146$U%5.180039@attbi_s03... Slowly, via water intake through the outflow valves that are normally open at/near landing altitude. Depending on how far submerged the fuselage is, the negative pressure relief valves in the cargo doors could also let in water. In the film, it went down rather quickly, less than 30 seconds as I recall, and the carpet didn't even get damp. |
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"Greg Hennessy" wrote in message ... Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans atlantic services you ignorant clown. It does if Gander is the destination. But, of course, Gander was not the destination. |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:31:42 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Greg Hennessy" wrote in message .. . Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans atlantic services you ignorant clown. It does if Gander is the destination. But, of course, Gander was not the destination. Quite. greg -- You do a lot less thundering in the pulpit against the Harlot after she marches right down the aisle and kicks you in the nuts. |
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Peter Skelton wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:49:41 -0500, (Peter Stickney) wrote: To add some Military Content. The groundings and losses did not necessarily mean the immediate scrapping of the Comet I. DH _did_ infact, come up with a rebuild program that would allow the airplane to have some useful life. The only Comet Customer who took them up on this was the Royal Canadian Air Force, which had purchased two Comets to support the First Air Division in Europe. These remained in service until the early 1960s. ISTR Comets in service with Freddie Laker into the 70's. Dan Air used them until Nov. 3, '80 (something over 110 passengers which must have been fun.) Those were Comet IVs, not Comet Is. Basically an entirely new airframe with a Comet-like shape. They were entirely redesigned structurally, and a bit larger. (71,760 kg MTOW rather than 47,620 kg) They used Rolls Avons (With about twice the push) rather than the centrifugal DH Ghosts. The Comet IV was actually a pretty good airplane. Unfortunately, it took about 4 years to get the Comet IV redesigned and off the ground. By that time, instead of competing with DC-6s and Lockheed 749 Constellations, it was competing with the Boeing 707 and the Douglas DC-8. At that point, it was too slow, and too short-ranged. (Pan Am 707 used to take off about a half-hour after BOAC Comet IVs, and they made a point of announcing when they passed the Comets somewhere between Iceland and Greenland. -- Pete Stickney |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Greg Hennessy" wrote in message ... Having to refuel in Gander doesnt make it the 1st non stop trans atlantic services you ignorant clown. It does if Gander is the destination. But, of course, Gander was not the destination. If Gander is the other side of the Atlantic then it is the first transatlantic service. Can't you figure that out? |
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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message om... Peter Skelton wrote in message . .. On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:49:41 -0500, (Peter Stickney) wrote: To add some Military Content. The groundings and losses did not necessarily mean the immediate scrapping of the Comet I. DH _did_ infact, come up with a rebuild program that would allow the airplane to have some useful life. The only Comet Customer who took them up on this was the Royal Canadian Air Force, which had purchased two Comets to support the First Air Division in Europe. These remained in service until the early 1960s. ISTR Comets in service with Freddie Laker into the 70's. Dan Air used them until Nov. 3, '80 (something over 110 passengers which must have been fun.) Those were Comet IVs, not Comet Is. Basically an entirely new airframe with a Comet-like shape. They were entirely redesigned structurally, and a bit larger. (71,760 kg MTOW rather than 47,620 kg) They used Rolls Avons (With about twice the push) rather than the centrifugal DH Ghosts. The Comet IV was actually a pretty good airplane. Unfortunately, it took about 4 years to get the Comet IV redesigned and off the ground. By that time, instead of competing with DC-6s and Lockheed 749 Constellations, it was competing with the Boeing 707 and the Douglas DC-8. At that point, it was too slow, and too short-ranged. (Pan Am 707 used to take off about a half-hour after BOAC Comet IVs, and they made a point of announcing when they passed the Comets somewhere between Iceland and Greenland. The Comet is still flying (the Nimrod) . The last civilian plane was in 1987. That is a long civilian service life. The British government prevented one of the last from being sold to the USA. |
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"Spiv" wrote in message ... The Comet is still flying (the Nimrod) . The last civilian plane was in 1987. That is a long civilian service life. The British government prevented one of the last from being sold to the USA. This means the last Comet retired from service while the Boeing 707 line was still producing new aircraft since the last 707 rolled off the lines in 1991. Think about it. Keith |
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