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B2431 wrote:

I suppose I should.

It amazes me an adult in his 50s can't admit he's wrong and switches sides and
says he was correct all along despite the evidence.

Why are you bringing GWB into this discussion? I thought we were talking about
Tarver.

Bob McKellar




Actually, he's not amusing anymore. I didn't killfile him before because it
amazed me what he would come up with in this and other NGs.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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B2431 wrote:

I suppose I should.

It amazes me an adult in his 50s can't admit he's wrong and switches
sides and
says he was correct all along despite the evidence.

Why are you bringing GWB into this discussion? I thought we were talking
about
Tarver.

Dan is just making a fool of himself, do you plan to join him?

B2431 wrote:

I suppose I should.

It amazes me an adult in his 50s can't admit he's wrong and switches sides
and
says he was correct all along despite the evidence.

Why are you bringing GWB into this discussion? I thought we were talking
about
Tarver.

Bob McKellar



Boo, hiss etc

Dan, U. S. Airforce, retired

From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 9/10/2003 7:20 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

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You are an wrong again, Dan and we can only assume you are either lying, or
senile.

For cold weather:

low t0, more fuel == higher mass flow rate - more thrust

for water injection:

low TIT, more fuel ==higher mass flow rate-more thrust

I tend to believe you are either a fraud, or a troll, at this point, Dan.
Are you a sock, Dan, operated by our village idiot, Knoyle? I mean, this as
a serious question, because at this point, there is no possibility you ever
worked a pitot tube on a jet.

Tarver, last time I saw C-141s, F-4Es, T-33s,T-39s and KC-135s were jets.

Oh, silly me, the ones on the F-4E and T-39s are pitot-static tubes.

Now, if you want to count UH-1Ps, HH-3s, HH-53s, UH-60 and C-130s as jet
aircraft, turbine driven, (non gasoline), none of them had "t0" derived from
pitot or pitot-static tubes.

Now, since you think personal attacks and abuse are appropriate behaviour for
adults I will no longer discuss this with you. Just do a google search and you
will see I am no one's puppet.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 9/10/2003 7:20 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

snip

You are an wrong again, Dan and we can only assume you are either lying,
or
senile.

For cold weather:

low t0, more fuel == higher mass flow rate - more thrust

for water injection:

low TIT, more fuel ==higher mass flow rate-more thrust

I tend to believe you are either a fraud, or a troll, at this point, Dan.
Are you a sock, Dan, operated by our village idiot, Knoyle? I mean, this
as
a serious question, because at this point, there is no possibility you
ever
worked a pitot tube on a jet.

Tarver, last time I saw C-141s, F-4Es, T-33s,T-39s and KC-135s were jets.

Sorry Dan, if there was no temperature probe, you weren't there. A jet
engine requires SAT. (ie T0) Stop making a fool of yourself and just bow
out.

Answer up Dan, a serious question, are you a Knoyle sock?.

Gentleman, the F4E does indeed have static ports, two of them. They
are located ON the pitot boom. FYI I logged 2000+ hours in the F4
series and was an F4E maintenance test pilot besides an instructor in
both the F4D and E. FWIW The F104A's static ports were in the same
place on the late-model pitot head installed on that airplane.
As for P1 and T0, they refer to the turbine engine stations where the
readings are taken. As for gasoline (piston) engines not needing such
information, the latest electronic fuel controls for reciprocating
engines do indeed use that information to compute air density for
precision fuel metering. Most likely if you drive a new car it also
has that type of control.
Walt BJ

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 9/10/2003 7:20 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

snip

You are an wrong again, Dan and we can only assume you are either
lying,
or
senile.

For cold weather:

low t0, more fuel == higher mass flow rate - more thrust

for water injection:

low TIT, more fuel ==higher mass flow rate-more thrust

I tend to believe you are either a fraud, or a troll, at this point,
Dan.
Are you a sock, Dan, operated by our village idiot, Knoyle? I mean,
this
as
a serious question, because at this point, there is no possibility you
ever
worked a pitot tube on a jet.

Tarver, last time I saw C-141s, F-4Es, T-33s,T-39s and KC-135s were
jets.

Sorry Dan, if there was no temperature probe, you weren't there. A jet
engine requires SAT. (ie T0) Stop making a fool of yourself and just bow
out.


Is that more like the T2 or the T12 on a CFM-56? (737)

Answer up Dan, a serious question, are you a Knoyle sock?.



Actually, there was a guy posting here over a year ago using
a different name than he signed on my retirement card ... but
I can almost guarantee you, he is noone's sock.
http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/memorabilia.html

From: (Walt BJ)


Gentleman, the F4E does indeed have static ports, two of them. They
are located ON the pitot boom.
snip
Walt BJ

Walt, that's why I referred to it as the "pitot-static" tube. I guess I could
have been more clear in referring to static ports as a separate entity. I was
referring to the static ports flush mounted on the fuselage eg; KC-135. The
KC-135 has pitot tubes and the static ports are elsewhere on the fuselage. A
pitot-static tube has static ports a few inches back from the inlet as in F-4E,
T-39 etc.

As for the static ports on the F-4E pitot-static tube there were 4 small holes
in pairs on opposite sides of the tube IIRC(it's been 23 years since I last
worked on an F-4E). In any event the ports were all routed to a single fitting
extending out the back of the pitot-static tube coaxially with the pitot
fitting and heater connector. The pitot and static fittings were -4 and were
connected to lengths of nylon tubing running aft along the right side of the
radome.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: (Walt BJ)


Gentleman, the F4E does indeed have static ports, two of them. They
are located ON the pitot boom.
snip
Walt BJ

Walt, that's why I referred to it as the "pitot-static" tube.

Look here idiot Dan, you didn't even know what a pitot tube was at the
beginning of this thread. You have no business continueing your kook troll,
Dan, as it is obvious to all that you never worked a jet.

(B2431) wrote:

From: (Walt BJ)


Gentleman, the F4E does indeed have static ports, two of them. They
are located ON the pitot boom.
snip
Walt BJ

Walt, that's why I referred to it as the "pitot-static" tube. I guess I could
have been more clear in referring to static ports as a separate entity. I was
referring to the static ports flush mounted on the fuselage eg; KC-135. The
KC-135 has pitot tubes and the static ports are elsewhere on the fuselage. A
pitot-static tube has static ports a few inches back from the inlet as in F-4E,
T-39 etc.

As for the static ports on the F-4E pitot-static tube there were 4 small holes
in pairs on opposite sides of the tube IIRC(it's been 23 years since I last
worked on an F-4E). In any event the ports were all routed to a single fitting
extending out the back of the pitot-static tube coaxially with the pitot
fitting and heater connector. The pitot and static fittings were -4 and were
connected to lengths of nylon tubing running aft along the right side of the
radome.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

That reminds me...there was an odd setup on the C-119 with
respect to static ports...there was one on each side of the big
flat sides of the fuselage which were connected together then
"teed" off to feed the ASI, altimeter and VSI. It was a little
'trick' question as to the reason for this.

Apparently it's purpose was to cancel out the effect of
'skidding' the fuselage. With those huge 'barn door' sides the
effect of skid was quite large. Could this have been why the
F-4E's static ports were 'doubled up'?
--

-Gord.