IFR to Oshkosh without an IFR reservation

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Paul Tomblin wrote:

Then why doesn't the SBM airport that require a reservation? Why
does the NOTAM say you only need a reservation within 30nm of OSH,
and FAH (and SBM) is 33nm from OSH?


Don't try to look at this logically. If logic had come into play
Milwaukee approach wouldn't have the airspace.

That may be because Milwaukee approach has better radar coverage, but
another guess would be they did it to up the traffic count.

Mike wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
...
Paul Tomblin wrote:

Then why doesn't the SBM airport that require a reservation? Why
does the NOTAM say you only need a reservation within 30nm of OSH,
and FAH (and SBM) is 33nm from OSH?


Don't try to look at this logically. If logic had come into play
Milwaukee approach wouldn't have the airspace.

That may be because Milwaukee approach has better radar coverage, but
another guess would be they did it to up the traffic count.


It was forced on MKE approach to free up space in ZAU.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
m...
Mike wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
...
Paul Tomblin wrote:

Then why doesn't the SBM airport that require a reservation? Why
does the NOTAM say you only need a reservation within 30nm of OSH,
and FAH (and SBM) is 33nm from OSH?


Don't try to look at this logically. If logic had come into play
Milwaukee approach wouldn't have the airspace.

That may be because Milwaukee approach has better radar coverage, but
another guess would be they did it to up the traffic count.


It was forced on MKE approach to free up space in ZAU.

Well, "Center" means the "Center of the Universe", right?

On Jul 26, 9:49*am, bdl wrote:

I'm coming froming from a slightly different direction, but my
thoughts were to file to JVL and then cancel and scoot on the rest of
the way VFR. *Or Heck, maybe I'll file to KUNU (34nm) and just cancel
in the air prior to landing.



Here's a followup. I did file to KUNU and just north of Janesville,
Madison approach basically put me on a vector for RIPON. Even let me
stay IFR till about 15 miles out.

As an aside, there seemed to be a lot of airplanes asking for flight
following despite the NOTAM restriction.

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
I only ask because your interpretation doesn't make sense. If FAH is
in the RIPON sector then he woudln't be able to file to KSBM either or
require a reservation for the airport. And he doesn't per the NOTAM.


Trust me, this is the 25th EAA convention I've worked as a controller. Nine
at Chicago ARTCC in the area that includes OSH and sixteen at GRB TRACON.
Oshkosh bound IFR aircraft without a reservation don't get into that sector
with a promise to cancel short of OSH, they're issued a clearance limit
outside of the sector.

Well, you're absolutely, 100% wrong. I filed to KSBM without a
reservation, was cleared to KSBM, and was feet dry over land when I
cancelled IFR and proceeded VFR to Oshkosh, just as I said I was going to
do and just as you said was impossible.

I know the words "Sorry, I was wrong" aren't in your vocabulary, so I will
now expect some bull**** excuse about how I'm wrong and what I did and
what the controllers did was impossible.

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Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:
I only ask because your interpretation doesn't make sense. If FAH
is in the RIPON sector then he woudln't be able to file to KSBM
either or require a reservation for the airport. And he doesn't
per the NOTAM.


Trust me, this is the 25th EAA convention I've worked as a
controller. Nine at Chicago ARTCC in the area that includes OSH and
sixteen at GRB TRACON. Oshkosh bound IFR aircraft without a
reservation don't get into that sector with a promise to cancel
short of OSH, they're issued a clearance limit outside of the sector.

Well, you're absolutely, 100% wrong. I filed to KSBM without a
reservation, was cleared to KSBM, and was feet dry over land when I
cancelled IFR and proceeded VFR to Oshkosh, just as I said I was
going to do and just as you said was impossible.

I know the words "Sorry, I was wrong" aren't in your vocabulary, so I
will now expect some bull**** excuse about how I'm wrong and what I
did and what the controllers did was impossible.


What was your clearance limit? Were you a Sheboygan bound IFR aircraft or
were you an Oshkosh bound IFR aircraft without a reservation?