New Aviation Terminology

Recently I dug up an article from some magazine concerning the Tenerife
accident when two 747s collided due to language miscomprehension by one of
the pilots. Later in the text, the author wrote that ICAO was working on a
new set of aviation terminology that is supposed to be an "aviation
Esperanto", combining language rules and words of several world languages to
avoid further confusion. Anybody have any detailed info on this? (the
article is vintage 1997).

Triple Delta

ICAO was working on a
new set of aviation terminology that is supposed to be an "aviation
Esperanto", combining language rules and words of several world languages to
avoid further confusion.


Isn't that what the FARs are written in? It's certainly not English!

Jose

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What's needed is Europanto, at least in Europe. Here's just
one example:

http://www.europanto.contagions.com/euro1.html#1

The site has lots more.

Actually there are some changes as a result of Tenerife. For
example in the UK the word "cleared" is used only in "cleared
for takeoff". Other uses (e.g. for taxi) use some other word,
"permission" iirc.

John


"DeltaDeltaDelta" wrote in message
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Recently I dug up an article from some magazine concerning the Tenerife
accident when two 747s collided due to language miscomprehension by one of
the pilots. Later in the text, the author wrote that ICAO was working on a
new set of aviation terminology that is supposed to be an "aviation
Esperanto", combining language rules and words of several world languages
to
avoid further confusion. Anybody have any detailed info on this? (the
article is vintage 1997).

Triple Delta

"John Harper" wrote in message news:1069786900.839440@sj-nntpcache-3...

Actually there are some changes as a result of Tenerife. For
example in the UK the word "cleared" is used only in "cleared
for takeoff". Other uses (e.g. for taxi) use some other word,
"permission" iirc.

How do they read your IFR clearance to you? That was the
issue at Tenerife (well part of it). I don't believe that is any
resolved now in the US...

DeltaDeltaDelta wrote:
Recently I dug up an article from some magazine concerning the Tenerife
accident when two 747s collided due to language miscomprehension by one of
the pilots.

I thought the Tenerife accident happened because the KLM captain suffered from
excessive self-esteem.

Dave
Remove SHIRT to reply directly.

From 3-7-1 in the Air Traffic Control Handbook:

"b. Do not use the word "cleared" in conjunction with authorization for
aircraft to taxi or equipment/vehicle/personnel operations. Use the prefix
"taxi," "proceed," or "hold," as appropriate, for aircraft instructions and
"proceed" or "hold" for equipment/vehicles/personnel."

Bob Gardner

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"John Harper" wrote in message
news:1069786900.839440@sj-nntpcache-3...

Actually there are some changes as a result of Tenerife. For
example in the UK the word "cleared" is used only in "cleared
for takeoff". Other uses (e.g. for taxi) use some other word,
"permission" iirc.

How do they read your IFR clearance to you? That was the
issue at Tenerife (well part of it). I don't believe that is any
resolved now in the US...

This may have been after they started rolling and the 1st officer tried
to question whether they had actually been cleared for take-off.

The big thing is that the words "take-off" can now not be used other
than "cleared for take-off". It may be the case that the Dutch captain
heard the words "cleared" and "take-off" and thought that was his cue
to go.

Paul

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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I thought the Tenerife accident happened because the KLM captain suffered
from
excessive self-esteem.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message news:clOwb.106635$Dw6.513567@attbi_s02...
From 3-7-1 in the Air Traffic Control Handbook:

"b. Do not use the word "cleared" in conjunction with authorization for
aircraft to taxi or equipment/vehicle/personnel operations. Use the prefix
"taxi," "proceed," or "hold," as appropriate, for aircraft instructions and
"proceed" or "hold" for equipment/vehicles/personnel."

That is fine Bob, but immaterial.
The Tenerife crash invovled the KLM flight being in position in hold. The
first officer called in saying they were "ready for their ATC clearance."
What he got back was an IFR clearance"
"Cleared to Papa Beacon ...

This exact same thing would happen today at many US airports (let's avoid
going back to the clearance on request discussion).

3-7-1 doesn't seem to have done anything to alleviate what happened at Tenerife.

Ignore Tenerife for the moment. John Harper said that in Europe, the word
"cleared" was no longer used except for takeoff clearances. In your reply,
you said, in so many words, that nothing similar had been done in the US. My
post was intended to point out that something has indeed been done in the
US.

Bob Gardner

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:clOwb.106635$Dw6.513567@attbi_s02...
From 3-7-1 in the Air Traffic Control Handbook:

"b. Do not use the word "cleared" in conjunction with authorization for
aircraft to taxi or equipment/vehicle/personnel operations. Use the
prefix
"taxi," "proceed," or "hold," as appropriate, for aircraft instructions
and
"proceed" or "hold" for equipment/vehicles/personnel."

That is fine Bob, but immaterial.
The Tenerife crash invovled the KLM flight being in position in hold.
The
first officer called in saying they were "ready for their ATC clearance."
What he got back was an IFR clearance"
"Cleared to Papa Beacon ...

This exact same thing would happen today at many US airports (let's avoid
going back to the clearance on request discussion).

3-7-1 doesn't seem to have done anything to alleviate what happened at
Tenerife.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message news:8dPwb.304758$Tr4.962384@attbi_s03...
Ignore Tenerife for the moment. John Harper said that in Europe, the word
"cleared" was no longer used except for takeoff clearances. In your reply,
you said, in so many words, that nothing similar had been done in the US. My
post was intended to point out that something has indeed been done in the
US.

He was following up comments on Tenerife, and I asked "how do you get your IFR clearances."
I was specifically asking how his would have hellped Tenerife (perhaps there was
more to it than he was saying).,

Your comments are off the topic.