Flying IFR with Garmins

I wonder if this will be fixed at some point. I believe the data card also
carries some programming logic - maybe airways can be added at a later date.

Michael

"McGregor" wrote in message
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What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins
don't
have that. Those are
the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part.


Give me a break. My ancient Northstar M3 GPS has airways. My equally
ancient
Argus 7000 has airways.
Garmin just sucks.

Roy Smith wrote:

In article , wrote:
What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins
don't have that. Those are the domain of airliners and biz jets for
the most part.

You should check out the CNX-80. The airways are in the database, and
you enter clearances just the way the controller reads them to you,
including the airways. No need to search a paper chart to find all the
intermediate airway fixes.

The CNX-80 is an awesome box.

That why I said for the mostpart. ;-)

McGregor wrote:

What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't
have that. Those are
the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part.

Give me a break. My ancient Northstar M3 GPS has airways. My equally ancient
Argus 7000 has airways.
Garmin just sucks.

That's why I said for the most part. But, those old, clunky boxes come up
pretty short for the most part.

Michael 182 wrote:

I wonder if this will be fixed at some point. I believe the data card also
carries some programming logic - maybe airways can be added at a later date.

In my view Garmin screwed up with the 400/500 in this respect. They do have
complete routes for SIDS and STARs, which often are the same as airways for a
couple of hundred miles, or so.

wrote in message ...

What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't
have that. Those are
the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part.


Even my old Northstar M3 has an airway data base. And I frequently use it
to fly a flight plan using airways.

Stan Prevost wrote:

wrote in message ...

What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't
have that. Those are
the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part.


Even my old Northstar M3 has an airway data base. And I frequently use it
to fly a flight plan using airways.

Sigh. That's why I said for the most part. ;-) There are very few of those in
use compared to Garmins and Kings.

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

"Dash8Driver" wrote in message news:J3Qzc.56901$HG.14900@attbi_s53...
Enter VORs as waypoints in a flight plan?

Its not the flight plan I'm worried about, its the frequent changes to
it by ATC. The reason we use airways out west is because it simplifies
all the turns around restricted airspace and busy airspace. If you
can't enter an airway, you'd need to put in every point along the
airway that defines a turn.

-Robert

What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins don't have that. Those are
the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part.

I have it in my current handheld (Skymap IIIc). However, the terrain
looks better in the 296 and the battery backup is great (as well as
the turn coorindator) so I'll accept the loss of airways for the new
296. Looking at previous ebay sales, I can probably get enough from my
old IIIc to pay for the 296. The IIIc has a much bigger screen and
nice joystick control.

-Robert

wrote in message ...


Stan Prevost wrote:

wrote in message ...

What you're looking for is an airway database. Even the IFR Garmins
don't
have that. Those are
the domain of airliners and biz jets for the most part.


Even my old Northstar M3 has an airway data base. And I frequently use
it
to fly a flight plan using airways.

Sigh. That's why I said for the most part. ;-) There are very few of
those in
use compared to Garmins and Kings.


I have flown behind Garmin, King, and Apollo, and I still prefer my M3. How
dare you call my favorite box "clunky"! :-)

(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
om:

I just recently decided to buy our first Garmin GPS (296). I had not
in the past because they were so far behind on providing terrain. They
fixed that with the 296. However, the one outstanding item missing on
the 296 are airways. On my Skymap IIIc I can easily fly an airway by
putting the white course line on the pink airway line. Airways are
pretty common in the West where airways provide routes around
restricted airspace and around busy areas (like LAX) so ATC often
gives you airways rather than a million vectors (our airways are not
straight, they turn like roads).

So how do you Garmin guys easily fly along an airway graphically?

-Robert

Why not use a VOR receiver for airway navigation? Using a GPS for airway
navigation kind of seems backwards.

(David Lindenauer) wrote in message ...
On 15 Jun 2004 21:18:09 -0700, (Robert M. Gary)
wrote:
So how do you Garmin guys easily fly along an airway graphically?

You have to put in everything that creates a bend in the airway: VORs,
intersections. To make the task less daunting, in practice I put in
just the first couple of these, then add the rest in cruise flight
when the workload reduces.

Do you define them between two airway points (one behind you) or do
you have to direct to the next fix and just guess how far off the
airway you are?