American planes are crap!

Tarver Engineering wrote in message
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It shines up real nice, perhaps Russian airplanes are better mirrors.


Certainly the Russian and French aircraft are better targets.

--

Scott
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"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

In article . 241,
Comrade Ivanovich wrote:

You yankee imperialist stooges. You claim to be superior, but it is so
only because you capitalist goons have seized have siezed all good
resources in free world through blackmail and strong arm tactics.

Da, Comrade. Soviet system, though superior, is terrible at sneakiness
and subterfuge. Incredible freedom of Socialist philosophy manifest in
the way it works so well in so many places.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"It's Me Again" wrote:

"Peter Mollror" wrote:
Russian planes are much better !

Well, give us the reason why.

More effective use of cast iron and pewter?

It shines up real nice, perhaps Russian airplanes are better mirrors.

You yankee imperialist stooges. You claim to be superior, but it is so
only because you capitalist goons have seized have siezed all good
resources in free world through blackmail and strong arm tactics.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

How? A few examples: You make promises--then you break them
(Instructions Iraq Dictator (Hussien): "We will not intervene, we view
it as a regional conflict." State Dept instructions to April Glaspie
(US Amb. to Iraq) prior to Gulf War I.). You make treaty--then you break
treaty on numerous occasions to 'indians' (Indigenous tribal peoples).
You install government--then you overthrough government (Panama
[Noriega]).

Times change and so do political necessities.

You don't like governents, you overthrow governments. Where do I start?
Viet Nam? Iran? Iraq? Chile? Guatamala? Panama? Nicargua? El
Savador? Argentina? Brasil? The list goes on, but I am short of time.
If it exists, your deity frowns on your behavior.

If God frowed on America's behavior, we would surely fail.

And so you shall.

I inherently like Americans, but I am seldom fond of their governments.
The world would 'like' and trust you more--if you 'helped' other nations
with no strings attached.

I think I would trust noone doing me a good turn, with no strings
attached.
I would suspect they had a hidden agenda. Such thinking is how sociliasts
create permanent underclasses.


Ah Tarver. It's all the fault of 'sociliasts', isn't it? Have you thought
about running for President, there's a vacancy coming up soon!

John

"Comrade Ivanovich" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in news:3f763649
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"It's Me Again" wrote:

"Peter Mollror" wrote:
Russian planes are much better !

Well, give us the reason why.

More effective use of cast iron and pewter?

It shines up real nice, perhaps Russian airplanes are better mirrors.



You yankee imperialist stooges. You claim to be superior, but it is so
only because you capitalist goons have seized have siezed all good
resources in free world through blackmail and strong arm tactics.

Well, it's indeed so that in the West there is nobody as stupid as Castro to
go organizing "revolutions" all around the world, without requesting
anything in exchange...

How? A few examples: You make promises--then you break them
(Instructions Iraq Dictator (Hussien): "We will not intervene, we view
it as a regional conflict." State Dept instructions to April Glaspie
(US Amb. to Iraq) prior to Gulf War I.). You make treaty--then you break
treaty on numerous occasions to 'indians' (Indigenous tribal peoples).
You install government--then you overthrough government (Panama
[Noriega]).

Yes, there's definitely a "difference": the USA make treaties, then break
them. The Russians make treaties, then do not complete their part of the
deal...

You don't like governents, you overthrow governments. Where do I start?
Viet Nam? Iran? Iraq? Chile? Guatamala? Panama? Nicargua? El
Savador? Argentina? Brasil? The list goes on, but I am short of time.
If it exists, your deity frowns on your behavior.

Nice. Let us now make a qute little break-down of all the wonderful
dictatorships and all the sorts of oppressive regimes, as well as years-long
bloodsheeds supported and caused by the Soviet (i.e. Russian) communists:

- Afghanistan
- Albania
- Algeria
- Angola
- Burkina Faso
- Chad
- Congo & Congo-Zaire
- Cuba
- Guinea & Guinea-Bissau
- Ethiopia
- Eritrea
- Iraq
- Iran
- Libya
- Madagascar
- Mali
- Myanmar
- Nicaragua
- Nigeria
- North Korea
- Serbia
- Sudan (especially brutal Islamic regime, still massively supplied by
Russians with weapons, despite mass-murdering of over 2 millions of
civilians in the last 20 years)
- Syria
- Peru
- Tanzania
- Zambia
- Zimbabwe
- Yemen (you even supplied both, the North and South with weapons, and then
left them fight against each other in the 1980s, and again in the 1990s)

Isn't that a nice little list, showing how sincere and kind the Russians
are, and illustrating your wish for peace and stability?

At least it's certainly something you can be proud of... at least as much of
your "poets" going to Bosnia to shoot with Bosnian-Serbs at the people down
on the streets of Sarajevo... But, I'm sure some of you call this a
"poetry"...

I inherently like Americans, but I am seldom fond of their governments.

That happens to many.

The world would 'like' and trust you more--if you 'helped' other nations
with no strings attached.

Would you think the same can be said with the Russians?

How do you think I feel and think about Russia when somebody asks me to
spend few Euros for starving people of Ethiopia or Eritrea, while I know
that you're selling them Su-27s for $30 million apiece?

BTW, in the sence of your original message, about the US planes being a
"crap": could you offer us few figures so to reinforce your statement? I
mean, if the US planes are "crap", then it must be the Soviet/Russian planes
have shot down much more them in air combats since 1945 than the other way
around? Is that so?

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

"John Mullen" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Comrade Ivanovich" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in news:3f763649
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"It's Me Again" wrote:

"Peter Mollror" wrote:
Russian planes are much better !

Well, give us the reason why.

More effective use of cast iron and pewter?

It shines up real nice, perhaps Russian airplanes are better
mirrors.

You yankee imperialist stooges. You claim to be superior, but it is
so
only because you capitalist goons have seized have siezed all good
resources in free world through blackmail and strong arm tactics.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

How? A few examples: You make promises--then you break them
(Instructions Iraq Dictator (Hussien): "We will not intervene, we view
it as a regional conflict." State Dept instructions to April Glaspie
(US Amb. to Iraq) prior to Gulf War I.). You make treaty--then you
break
treaty on numerous occasions to 'indians' (Indigenous tribal peoples).
You install government--then you overthrough government (Panama
[Noriega]).

Times change and so do political necessities.

You don't like governents, you overthrow governments. Where do I
start?
Viet Nam? Iran? Iraq? Chile? Guatamala? Panama? Nicargua? El
Savador? Argentina? Brasil? The list goes on, but I am short of
time.
If it exists, your deity frowns on your behavior.

If God frowed on America's behavior, we would surely fail.

And so you shall.

I don't see failure as being in the cards.

Mesides that Mullen, aren't you an athiest?

I inherently like Americans, but I am seldom fond of their
governments.
The world would 'like' and trust you more--if you 'helped' other
nations
with no strings attached.

I think I would trust noone doing me a good turn, with no strings
attached.
I would suspect they had a hidden agenda. Such thinking is how
sociliasts
create permanent underclasses.


Ah Tarver. It's all the fault of 'sociliasts', isn't it? Have you thought
about running for President, there's a vacancy coming up soon!

Ah a spelling flame, the tag of a loser.

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in news:3f763649
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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"It's Me Again" wrote:

"Peter Mollror" wrote:
Russian planes are much better !

Well, give us the reason why.

More effective use of cast iron and pewter?

It shines up real nice, perhaps Russian airplanes are better mirrors.



You yankee imperialist stooges. You claim to be superior, but it is so
only because you capitalist goons have seized have siezed all good
resources in free world through blackmail and strong arm tactics.

How? A few examples: You make promises--then you break them
(Instructions Iraq Dictator (Hussien): "We will not intervene, we view
it as a regional conflict." State Dept instructions to April Glaspie
(US Amb. to Iraq) prior to Gulf War I.).

He knew what he was getting into. He had pushed people around for forty
years, if anybody knew what it was like to be defeated, Saddam Hussein knew
what was coming. Nobody promised him a rose garden, just that he would be
buried in one if he didn't do what he was told. Like he buried so many
others.
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Well, I have a nice question for you, and I'm going to give you the answer

What is a MIG?
you don't know? It's simple;
Single seat, Single engine, Single Use

"Peter Mollror" schreef in bericht
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Russian planes are much better !

Well, I have a nice question for you, and I'm going to give you the answer

What is a MIG?
you don't know? It's simple;
Single seat, Single engine, Single Use

Really?
Thanks for enlighting me, could you please tell the people from FAS that
they have _serious_ problems with
accurasy of their site. (few links with faulty info and pics below)
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-31.htm
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-29.htm

And the russians too(damn, thought they knew what they were flying)
http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/29/MiG-29B.jpg
http://www.aviation.ru/jno/MACS99/images/MiG-29UBT.jpg
http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/

just to name few examples of mass hallusination, but hey you do know the
best, ehh?

"Flub" wrote in message
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Well, I have a nice question for you, and I'm going to give you the answer

What is a MIG?
you don't know? It's simple;
Single seat, Single engine, Single Use


Can you say MiG-29M2 (MRCA)!

Twin-seat, Two engines, Multi-role!

http://www.aviaphoto.ru/mig/mig29/im...G-29M2-001.jpg


TJ

(Peter Mollror) wrote:
Russian planes are much better !

Sure.

"Sheremetyevo Tower, roger Fulcrum 11. Emergency Low Fuel State
cleared for takeoff, Runway 27. Contact Departure passing OPALIKHA."




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