Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form

Hi,

I am familiar with the potential penalties for lying on the FAA medical,
but was curious if anyone had any stats on *actual* convictions that have
occured for this, and what the associated penalties were? It seems to be
"common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never hear of actual
convictions.


Thanks,
Sally

Sally Grozmano wrote:
Hi,

I am familiar with the potential penalties for lying on the FAA medical,
but was curious if anyone had any stats on *actual* convictions that have
occured for this, and what the associated penalties were? It seems to be
"common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never hear of actual
convictions.


Don't know if there are many convictions. The FAA doesn't have to go to
that length, they can levy civil penalties and pull the pilot and
medical certificates without having to go through any criminal action.
This certainly happens, a number of unreported DUI's have ended up that
way I know.

The FAA did lodge criminal charges against the guys who were found to
have claimed to be disabled to the SSA and not injured to the FAA.

Ron Natalie wrote in
m:


Don't know if there are many convictions. The FAA doesn't have to go
to that length, they can levy civil penalties and pull the pilot and
medical certificates without having to go through any criminal action.
This certainly happens, a number of unreported DUI's have ended up
that way I know.


Are those civil penalties part of the public record, i.e. is it possible to
get an idea of the range of penalties levied, what the circumstances were,
etc?

Thanks

If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why can't
you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line up.Why don't
you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love to chew the fat
with you....

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Sally Grozmano wrote:
Hi,

I am familiar with the potential penalties for lying on the FAA
medical, but was curious if anyone had any stats on *actual* convictions
that have occured for this, and what the associated penalties were? It
seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never hear
of actual convictions.
Don't know if there are many convictions. The FAA doesn't have to go to
that length, they can levy civil penalties and pull the pilot and medical
certificates without having to go through any criminal action.
This certainly happens, a number of unreported DUI's have ended up that
way I know.

The FAA did lodge criminal charges against the guys who were found to
have claimed to be disabled to the SSA and not injured to the FAA.

"Barney Rubble" wrote

If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why
can't you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line up.Why
don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love to chew the
fat with you....

Careful how you attribute quotes. Your response makes it seem as though Ron
wrote the "common knowledge" line, but it was the originator of the thread
that said that.
--
Jim in NC

On 01/23/07 14:24, Morgans wrote:
"Barney Rubble" wrote

If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why
can't you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line up.Why
don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love to chew the
fat with you....

Careful how you attribute quotes. Your response makes it seem as though Ron
wrote the "common knowledge" line, but it was the originator of the thread
that said that.

I was able to easily tell that it was the OP and not Ron. FYI.

For example, in this response, you (Morgans) wrote the text with a single " ",
while Barney Rubble wrote the text with " ".

Morgans wrote:

"Barney Rubble" wrote

If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why
can't you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line
up.Why don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love
to chew the fat with you....


Careful how you attribute quotes. Your response makes it seem as though
Ron wrote the "common knowledge" line, but it was the originator of the
thread that said that.

Just another problem with top-posting.

Matt

Outlook has taken to placing responses in seemingly random places in the
hierarchy, sorry for the confusion, it was of course direct to the OP.

- Barney

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Morgans wrote:

"Barney Rubble" wrote

If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why
can't you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line
up.Why don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love to
chew the fat with you....


Careful how you attribute quotes. Your response makes it seem as though
Ron wrote the "common knowledge" line, but it was the originator of the
thread that said that.

Just another problem with top-posting.

Matt

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
, Sally Grozmano wrote:
It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never
hear of actual convictions.

There's a fine line between not volunteering additional information and
actually lying... Or perhaps it's just not volunteering information that
the FAA has no way of finding out anyway... evil-grin

Grumman-581 wrote in
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
, Sally Grozmano wrote:
It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never
hear of actual convictions.

There's a fine line between not volunteering additional information and
actually lying... Or perhaps it's just not volunteering information that
the FAA has no way of finding out anyway... evil-grin


Once one signs the bit that says, "I have completed this to the best of my
knowledge" (or whatever) it becomes lying. But anyway....

I know that the FAA can actually find out about some omissions, e.g. DUIs
(because you also sign the bit that allows them to search the driver
registry) and the recent case where people were also claiming SSI benefits.
I'm just not so sure on stuff like prescriptions. If they are controlled
substances, they have to be on record with the DEA or something, no? Non-
controlled substances are known by one's insurance company, but I am pretty
sure those records are private.