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we've been paying $130 for an Arrow around here for a couple of years.. and
now we pay a surcharge on top of that for the increased fuel costs.. BT "Hilton" wrote in message nk.net... Hi, Our RHV-based club (San Jose) just increased its prices by $2/gal/hr effective immediately; 172s are now over $100, Arrow is $130 - I don't even want to think what the Duchess will be when it gets its new engines (pilor error gear up). They said it was entirely due to fuel prices. I asked if the prices would go down when/if avgas proces dropped. I didn't really get a good answer, but the suggestion was no, they wouldn't. I remember when a 172 was around $65 or so and flying around the pattern for a hour was a fun thing to do. Now I have to call my accountant to get financial approval. Hilton |
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I did my primary training in C-152 Commuter IIs, at $18/hr wet. 1974
BT "Ross Richardson" wrote in message ... I remember when I could fly a 172 for $16.00/hour. Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP KSWI Hilton wrote: Hi, Our RHV-based club (San Jose) just increased its prices by $2/gal/hr effective immediately; 172s are now over $100, Arrow is $130 - I don't even want to think what the Duchess will be when it gets its new engines (pilor error gear up). They said it was entirely due to fuel prices. I asked if the prices would go down when/if avgas proces dropped. I didn't really get a good answer, but the suggestion was no, they wouldn't. I remember when a 172 was around $65 or so and flying around the pattern for a hour was a fun thing to do. Now I have to call my accountant to get financial approval. Hilton |
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"Hilton" wrote in
ink.net: Michael wrote: Our RHV-based club (San Jose) just increased its prices by $2/gal/hr... They said it was entirely due to fuel prices. Did your fuel go up by $2/gal? Because ours only went up by 40 cents a gallon, and we just got a new load this weekend. We're paying $3.35 per gallon now. That reflects the actual price increases in the bulk fuel. Anything significantly higher is just gouging. Here are the numbers they mentioned (in the CFI meeting last night) - these numbers are approximate, but they're ballpark enough for this NG thread. Gas was costing them $2.50-$2.80 or so. This next batch will cost $4.80. The following batch will have an additional 75c cost. When I asked my "will the rental prices drop when the fuel price drops" I was told they they're building in a cost so that they don't have to raise them again for the 75c delivery. Read that however you want - but to me, I think you're right - it all sounds like ripoff/gouging to me. I just looked at some OLD data for fuel prices at RHV. In January of 2003, the largest fuel dealer was charging $2.69 per gallon. In July of 2004, it was $3.13. In March of this year, it was $3.26. These prices are the discounted prices for customers with a charge account at the dealer. The quoted $2.50 - $2.80 more in line with 2 year old fuel prices at RHV. Have rental rates stayed the same since January 2003 through August of 2005? OK, I just called the 'fuel guy' at RHV. Price today for a gallon is $4.04, tomorrow will be $4.40. He said it's definitely temporary. He added that the flight schools in RHV are leaving their prices the same, but are adding a temporary surcharge. He added that cheaper gas may be found at more rural areas since they will still be using older gas and would not have been affected with newer deliveries. The surcharge sounds fair to me. Now whether or not the fuel companies are gouging is a separate issue. It still hurts though. I guess it'll soon be the $1000 burger. Hilton P.S.: Not sure where the FBO manager got the $4.80 and 75c numbers from. Hilton -- Marty Shapiro Silicon Rallye Inc. (remove SPAMNOT to email me) |
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W P Dixon wrote:
I'm not worried about the price of gas to much, according to the email I just got I won the lottery in Italy!!! You too? George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. |
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Marty,
I just looked at some OLD data for fuel prices at RHV. In January of 2003, the largest fuel dealer was charging $2.69 per gallon. In July of 2004, it was $3.13. In March of this year, it was $3.26. These prices are the discounted prices for customers with a charge account at the dealer. The quoted $2.50 - $2.80 more in line with 2 year old fuel prices at RHV. Have rental rates stayed the same since January 2003 through August of 2005? The comment was that the club had not increased rental prices *due to fuel* in the previous two years. There was a (fairly) recent increase due to insurance. FYI: TWA and Nice Air's prices are still $80 and $90 respectively for a 172. Not sure if/when/how they'll factor in the new (temporary?) fuel price increase. Hilton |
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I'm envy green.
Rates at our club, effective 1st May 2005: Grumman AA1C / Cessna Aerobat $180 hr dual, $145 solo PA38 $190 dual, $155 solo PA28-140 $185 dual, $150 solo C172N $205 dual. $170 solo C172SP $255 dual. $220 solo Piper Arrow 200R $255 dual, $220 solo Cessna 180 $250 solo Partenavia twin $390 solo Plus landing fee: 2-seaters $16.00 C172/Pa28 $18.00 Arrow/C180 $19.00 Partenavia $23.00 No fuel increase as at today, but as road gas prices have soared we are expecting an increase of $5 - $10 per hour. You guys don't know how lucky . . . |
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Hilton,
You mixed em up, Tradewinds Aviation is $90, no clue what nice air is but $80 sounds like what they would reasonably charge. I rent late 70s archers out of tradewinds, which were $90 an hour in early 2004, $93 during the price jumps of 2004, and $97 an hour now. They haven't gone up in several months (when avgas was a tad over $3 a gallon at RHV as opposed to $4 now), I'm expecting a price increase of $5-$10 soon now which will very likely lead to the end of my flying days. Which club at RHV are you talking about, squadron 2? At tradewinds, after the 2004 gas increases eased off, I asked em to go back to $90 an hour, take a wild guess whether it worked :-( |
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flyernzl wrote: I'm envy green. Rates at our club, effective 1st May 2005: Grumman AA1C / Cessna Aerobat $180 hr dual, $145 solo PA38 $190 dual, $155 solo PA28-140 $185 dual, $150 solo C172N $205 dual. $170 solo C172SP $255 dual. $220 solo Piper Arrow 200R $255 dual, $220 solo Cessna 180 $250 solo Partenavia twin $390 solo Plus landing fee: 2-seaters $16.00 C172/Pa28 $18.00 Arrow/C180 $19.00 Partenavia $23.00 No fuel increase as at today, but as road gas prices have soared we are expecting an increase of $5 - $10 per hour. Wow! Where are you? I belong to a flying group (not a club, because we don't own the planes) in Orlando and our rates (dry) a C-172N $40 C-172SP $65 C-172N (with newer avionics) $42 Beech Sundowner $48 They do ask us to buy fuel from the local FBO that handles the scheduling and provides us meeting space and other services and that's a bit pricey: $4.75/gal full serve (maybe more, I haven't flown in a couple of weeks). But even with that, I get an IFR equiped 172 for ~80-$90 an hour. John Stevens SS ~30hours |
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Hi,
You mixed em up, Tradewinds Aviation is $90, no clue what nice air is but $80 sounds like what they would reasonably charge. You are correct - I got the $80 and $90 the wrong way round. I got the info from their respective web site: www.tradewindsaviation.com and www.niceair.net. I rent late 70s archers out of tradewinds, which were $90 an hour in early 2004, $93 during the price jumps of 2004, and $97 an hour now. They haven't gone up in several months (when avgas was a tad over $3 a gallon at RHV as opposed to $4 now), I'm expecting a price increase of $5-$10 soon now which will very likely lead to the end of my flying days. I did my Instrument Rating in those Archers; and Private in the 172s (1978 models) and my CSEL in the Cutlass (no longer in the fleet). Which club at RHV are you talking about, squadron 2? Yeah. I was trying not to be specific, but I guess through process of elimination... At tradewinds, after the 2004 gas increases eased off, I asked em to go back to $90 an hour, take a wild guess whether it worked :-( Well, management has changed there a couple of times recently and rumor has it that it will change again in the new few weeks, so we'll see. Hilton |
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George Patterson wrote: W P Dixon wrote: I'm not worried about the price of gas to much, according to the email I just got I won the lottery in Italy!!! You too? Yeah, just wait until you read the fine print that says you get paid in Lira. |
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