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My priorities are just fine, than you.
Israel is a theocracy, anyone that says otherwise is either a fool or a liar. There is no nuke warhead for the Harpoon, but any thinking person would refuse to sell it 9if it existed) to *anyone* in the Middle East. Al Minyard Mr. Minyard, Do you hate Jews or what? The reason I ask is that I've been to Israel many times in my life and do not get the impression that you have that they are a bunch of religious fanatics bent on world destruction. Israel is a pretty small island of freedom in a vast region of brutal regimes with oppressive Islamic laws. I would be more worried if Israel's neighbors got the bomb than Israel possessing a few hundred. Israel would only use nuclear weapons to protect itself in the event that the nation was about to fall- as a last resort. But Israel's neighbors only want to build a bomb to be used against Israel. I can't believe you would not be against this. You seem to side with the enemies of peace. Thank God President Bush is for Israel. I think you should take a trip to Israel yourself Mr. Minyard and see what life is like. Talk to an average Israeli family or person in the street. They don't want war, they want peace. But not at any cost. Israel is proud of their IDF because most citizens have served in it for most of their lives. Israel is free largely due to the IDF and the security of the bomb. The US and Former Soviet Union never went to war due to MAD, but that strategy doesn't work in the Middle East. Had Saddam had a bomb he would have used it against Israel in 1991 even if it meant the annihilation of Iraq. Such is the hatred of the Jews in the region. Israel isn't a theocracy but they are justified morally in having the bomb. Kenneth Williams |
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Rob van Riel wrote:
(Kenneth Williams) wrote in message Israel would only use nuclear weapons to protect itself in the event that the nation was about to fall- as a last resort. But Israel's neighbors only want to build a bomb to be used against Israel. The US only wanted the bomb to kick the **** out of the Japanese, and to intimidate the Russians. In the eyes of many in the region, Israel has been a constant and violently active military threat since it was created. I don't approve of the use of nuclear weapons, but it does seem like the only way to be rid of Israel, and thus to the Arabs, a last resort. The alternative is to live under the threat of Israeli agression for all eternity. Aw c'mon. How about actually addressing the points he made here. Frinstance Israel would only use nuclear weapons to protect itself in the event that the nation was about to fall- as a last resort. If you do not agree with that statement, or do agreee with it, then say so. Don't waffle on with irrelevancy about the US flattening Japan And, But Israel's neighbors only want to build a bomb to be used against Israel. If you do not agree with that statement, or do agreee with it, then say so. Don't weasel out with "the alternative blah blah blah". Is there not enough evidence for you that some Arabs have stated the intention of eliminating Israel? ronh -- "People do not make decisions on facts, rather, how they feel about the facts" Robert Consedine |
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:03:37 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik wrote:
IMO,bioweapons have the greatest possibility of being a 'doomsday' weapon,as the bugs or virii You mean "viruses". There is no such word "virii" in either English or Latin. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (My real email address would be if you added 275 to it and reversed the last two letters). |
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On 14 Oct 2003 08:52:39 -0700, robert arndt wrote:
How do you figure that since Israel treats its Arabs/Palestinians better than any of the oil-rich regimes in the region, Y'know I really do find it amusing some of the idiotic crap that appologists for Israel's policies come up with. If the best thing you can say about Israel's human rights record is that it's better than countries like Saudi Arabia, that speaks for itself. BTW, I'm a very non-violent person, I've killed less people than Jack the Ripper. which ironically promote a Palestinian state but refuse to take any Palestinians into their own rich kingdoms. BTW, the "innnocent civilians" you mention are 9 chances out of 10 shooting at Israelis from their homes, hosting Hamas or other terrorists, or chanting "death to Israel". Evidently you are against freedom of speech. Only to confirmed jews and assumed sympathisers. Not much freedom there if you belong to the wrong ethnic group. Not that I'm not even implying the neighbouring nations are nice guys. Again, how can you reach that conclusion when Israel has bent over backwards trying to make the distinction between peaceful Palestinians and those that support terror? Ha ha ha. So when Israelis and Palestinians sign an accord in Geneva, The Israeli Government's only response is to rubbish the proposals, and repeat their old line that there are no Palestinians to negotiate with and that Israel should continue to create "facts on the ground" by building more settlements in its campaign to gain _Lebensraum_ by stealing Arab land. And then they are surprised when the palestinians fight back. Everytime Israel relaxes restrictions and makes an effort to move forward in negotiations... The current Israeli govmt isn't interested in negotiations. BAM!!!... another suicide bombing Welcomed by Sharon as it increases his electoral support and gives him a pretext to kill and oppress Palestinians, continue to build settlements, etc. (which is of course orchestrated from Yasser Arafat himself and his terror connections). As if you'd know. And how can Israel negotiate when nations like Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are pouring in funds to the terrorists or tunneling in weapons to them? A reasonable solution would be: 1. Israel to withdraw to pre 1967 war borders; or possibly an agreed border that exchanges land on one side for land on the other 2. Palestinians to give up right of return 3. Palestinian state to be disarmed, its security (both against Palestinian group like Hamas, and Israeli invasion) guaranteed by foreign soldiers and police 4. Palestinians to get economic support from EU; part of support is withdrawn whenever Palestinian groups attack Israel 5. Israel to continue to get economic support from USA; part of support is withdrawn whenever Israeli groups attack Palestine (The point of these last two provisions is to discourage both societies from aggressive action). 6. both Israel and Palestine offered eventual membership of the EU, if they want it and fulfil human rights conditions for membership The Israelis have a genuine right to self-preservation Yes they do. They don't have a right to annex terrotiy occupied in war. and if that means an Apaches fires into a crowd to take out a Hamas leader- too bad. I'm sure it is to you, but then for racists like you, Arabs are only _Untermensch_ who deserve to be killed. Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yasser Arafat have funded and carried out terrorist attacks against Israel and the West for decades. Israel has stood strong and retaliated. In extreme cases Israel has carried out pre-emptive attacks that only did good (like the Osirak reactor and killing Gerald Bull). So when Muslims kill people, that's bad, but when Israel does the same things that's good, eh? You confirm that you are a racist scumbag. Frankly, this world would be a better place if people like you didn't exist. Had they not then Iraq would have had a bomb by 1991 and a Supergun to fire it against Israel or coalition troops. Israel is not the aggressor here So occupying Palestine and parts of Syria isn't aggression? I suppose in your mind the Israelis can do no wrong. but they refuse to be helpless victims of terror. That's why the US supports Israel. Ha ha ha. No, idiot, its because of internal US politics -- it's pandering to the fundamentalist Christian voter and the Jewish vote. As far as an Israeli theocracy go, that is nonsense. It is true that Israel allows aliya from any nation where Jews want to leave (Russia, Argentina, Ethiopia, etc...) but that does not in any way interfere with the priviliges that Arab Israelis get, Which don't include living where they want to. There is much racist sentiment in Israel; is that why you like the place so much? which is greater than in any Arab nation. The second Intifada, however, has had grave consequences for the Palestinian people whose leader Yasser Arafat has put in peril by his unwillingness to truly seek peace and negotiate for an end to the conflict. No disagreement from me there -- Arafat is basically a waste of space. Perhaps him and Sharon should be locked in the same prison cell. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (My real email address would be if you added 275 to it and reversed the last two letters). |
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