U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "= Vox Populi ©" Vox Populi ©"

Only meaningless junk to those who have none.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
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Considering what bravery and sacrifice is require to be awarded most medals
that is a pretty thoughtless and ignorant statement to make I agree with
Art.

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"Big Dave" david wrote
Considering what bravery and sacrifice is require to be awarded most medals
that is a pretty thoughtless and ignorant statement to make I agree with
Art.

Medals are pretty much purely something out of the past. Today, most soldiers
compare them to the gold and silver stars they got in grade school. The Armies
penchant for giving out unit awards, or block allocations, pretty much dilutes
any benefit. I.e., "we can't decide who to give the medal to, so, heck, we are
going to give the whole unit a medal! You've all done an outstanding job, and
oh! the Commander would like a higher body count, thank you."

"Joey Bishop" wrote in message
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"Big Dave" david wrote
Considering what bravery and sacrifice is require to be awarded most
medals
that is a pretty thoughtless and ignorant statement to make I agree with
Art.

Medals are pretty much purely something out of the past. Today, most
soldiers
compare them to the gold and silver stars they got in grade school. The
Armies
penchant for giving out unit awards, or block allocations, pretty much
dilutes
any benefit.

Combat experiance is helpful for the career of a soldier.

I.e., "we can't decide who to give the medal to, so, heck, we are
going to give the whole unit a medal! You've all done an outstanding job,
and
oh! the Commander would like a higher body count, thank you."

What would it take to get you to jump out of an airplane with people on the
ground shooting at you? The medal is just a piece of tin, it is the deed
that was recognized that has value.

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "Joey Bishop"
Date: 8/30/03 9:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Big Dave" david wrote
Considering what bravery and sacrifice is require to be awarded most medals
that is a pretty thoughtless and ignorant statement to make I agree with
Art.

Medals are pretty much purely something out of the past. Today, most
soldiers
compare them to the gold and silver stars they got in grade school. The
Armies
penchant for giving out unit awards, or block allocations, pretty much
dilutes
any benefit. I.e., "we can't decide who to give the medal to, so, heck, we
are
going to give the whole unit a medal! You've all done an outstanding job, and
oh! the Commander would like a higher body count, thank you."



Please list your medals, battle stars and theatre ribbons as well as oak leaf
clusters and all the missions you have flown. .Try to keep it down to 5 or 6
pages at the most even if you have to leave 40 or 50 missions out..we all await
your long list anxiously



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

Congrats on the good conduct. I assume you will return all others with a note
of distain "the meaningless junk"..

Hey fluffy, I didn't start the thread, so don't go postal on me...

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "Jeremy Olson"
Date: 8/30/03 9:47 PM Pacific

BSMs citing bravery typically read: "Moving his machine gun to a
forward vantage point, he covered the advance of the infantry with a
heavy volume of effective fire. Repeatedly exposing himself to a
devastating small-arms automatic weapons and mortar barrage ..." Or:
"He voluntarily acted as point man and ... when the platoon was
fired upon ... charged the enemy position ... Through his courage,
determination and devotion to duty, he saved his patrol from
suffering casualties and captured a prisoner who later provided
important information."

The above would warrant more than a Bronze Star. The Bronze Star is
probably the most common medal.

Jeremy Olson









Sounds like Silver Star stuff to me. Now who was the ass who said this sort of
military action meant nothing? Some are just better soldiers than others.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

Sounds like Silver Star stuff to me. Now who was the ass who said this sort of
military action meant nothing? Some are just better soldiers than others.

I'm convinced that nuclear weapons are going to have to be used within
the next few years (China vs Formosa, Korea, and Iran). Does the Lt in
the silo get a Bronze, or a Silver for that?

"Joey Bishop" wrote in message

"ArtKramr" wrote

Sounds like Silver Star stuff to me. Now who was the ass who said
this sort of military action meant nothing? Some are just better
soldiers than others.

I'm convinced that nuclear weapons are going to have to be used within
the next few years (China vs Formosa, Korea, and Iran). Does the Lt
in the silo get a Bronze, or a Silver for that?

I doubt it'll be anyone in a silo; lobbing an ICBM would be a surefire way
to cause the Russians to have kittens and use it as a step towards
retaliation.

It will be someone on an SSBN or B2.

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"Joey Bishop" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote

Please list your medals, battle stars and theatre ribbons as well as oak
leaf
clusters and all the missions you have flown. .Try to keep it down to 5
or 6
pages at the most even if you have to leave 40 or 50 missions out..we
all await
your long list anxiously

Won't take that long:

Expeditionary (1) cluster
Air Medal (1) cluster
Aerial Achievement (1) cluster
Kuwait Liberation
Good Conduct

I could scan in my Flight records, but even my measly 5100 hours is
pretty thick with small print. Then there's the 5,000 hours in C-141
cargo status... Now that's what I *demand* a medal for...



You should have tried riding up front. The seats are much more comfortable.