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Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
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Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:57:12 -0000, wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: snip Mr. Ford is either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both. Another possibility; he ****ed up. That's beyond a possibility. It's a certainty. Then it is not possible that he is "either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both"? The LA Times said Ford may not have been able to see over the nose of the tail-dragger well enough to see the runway. That's a bogus excuse in my opinion. I suppose you have never in your life done anything that in retrospect you concider stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment? When those type of events began to occur while PIC, I judged it was time to stay out of the left seat. I'm not saying it's easy, but it is something virtually all pilots must face at some point. You'll see ... For most people those type of events begin to occur as soon as mommy and daddy are out of sight. It is when those type of events start occuring on a regular basis that there is a problem. -- Jim Pennino |
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Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:22:31 -0000, wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:57:12 -0000, wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: snip Mr. Ford is either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both. Another possibility; he ****ed up. That's beyond a possibility. It's a certainty. Then it is not possible that he is "either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both"? Oh Plezze. Jim, I know you're smarter than that question would appear to imply. Or have you just contracted a case of Trumpacity ("Trump Mendacity")? :-) It is, in my humble opinion, entirely possible, if not probable, that it was either fellow airman Ford's possible less than reverent attitude toward aviation, and the lessons it provides, and/or senescence-based progressive physical impairment creeping in on its regular course, that precipitated what you refer to as a Foxtrot Uniform. And couldn't possibly be a temporary distraction or lapse in judgement or any of many other common tranisitory foibles? So in your humble opinion he is either evil, demented or both. The LA Times said Ford may not have been able to see over the nose of the tail-dragger well enough to see the runway. That's a bogus excuse in my opinion. I suppose you have never in your life done anything that in retrospect you concider stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment? When those type of events began to occur while PIC, I judged it was time to stay out of the left seat. I'm not saying it's easy, but it is something virtually all pilots must face at some point. You'll see ... For most people those type of events begin to occur as soon as mommy and daddy are out of sight. Acts that I committed as an adult (which I believe is more germane to the discussion) that I would consider "stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment" are generally grounded in a causality based on stimuli in the physical world, or psychological in origin. A wise person who is astute and attending to the events occurring in his/her life well enough to recognize the opportunity for introspection FU's provide, will deliberate internally on the dynamics involved, and attempt to adjust his future behavior based on the results of that analysis so that similar errors are not repeated. Or in other words, like most people, when you do something dumb you learn from the experience. Those who choose to ignore facts, and continue to repeat non-beneficial behavior, may face a sterner lesson... The key word here being "continue". So far for the person you are declaring evil, demented, or both we have one mechanical failure and one lapse of some sort. It is when those type of events start occuring on a regular basis that there is a problem. While the FAA/NTSB concluded that probable cause in Ford's Santa Monica country club "hard landing" was due to mechanical issues causing a cessation of power (as I recall), I find it remarkable for a departing aircraft from the airport where it was based to not have spilled a significant amount of fuel on impact. I found no mention, nor saw no environmental haz-met team on site in the media accounts of the incident I recall reading/viewing. ...How long ago was that? The NTSB concluded that the main metering jet for the carburetor had come loose, resulting in excessive fuel flow and the ultimate loss of engine power in Ford's off airport forced landing. As for spilled fuel, "Fuel was observed leaking from the front of the airplane, and the responding fire department reported shutting off the airplane's fuel supply from the cockpit." https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.a...FA121 &akey=1 -- Jim Pennino |
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VIDEO: Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
Lots of video of this incident he https://twitter.com/i/moments/834441236182396929 On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:30:33 -0800, Larry Dighera wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:22:31 -0000, wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:57:12 -0000, wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: snip Mr. Ford is either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both. Another possibility; he ****ed up. That's beyond a possibility. It's a certainty. Then it is not possible that he is "either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both"? Oh Plezze. Jim, I know you're smarter than that question would appear to imply. Or have you just contracted a case of Trumpacity ("Trump Mendacity")? :-) It is, in my humble opinion, entirely possible, if not probable, that it was either fellow airman Ford's possible less than reverent attitude toward aviation, and the lessons it provides, and/or senescence-based progressive physical impairment creeping in on its regular course, that precipitated what you refer to as a Foxtrot Uniform. The LA Times said Ford may not have been able to see over the nose of the tail-dragger well enough to see the runway. That's a bogus excuse in my opinion. I suppose you have never in your life done anything that in retrospect you concider stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment? When those type of events began to occur while PIC, I judged it was time to stay out of the left seat. I'm not saying it's easy, but it is something virtually all pilots must face at some point. You'll see ... For most people those type of events begin to occur as soon as mommy and daddy are out of sight. Acts that I committed as an adult (which I believe is more germane to the discussion) that I would consider "stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment" are generally grounded in a causality based on stimuli in the physical world, or psychological in origin. A wise person who is astute and attending to the events occurring in his/her life well enough to recognize the opportunity for introspection FU's provide, will deliberate internally on the dynamics involved, and attempt to adjust his future behavior based on the results of that analysis so that similar errors are not repeated. Those who choose to ignore facts, and continue to repeat non-beneficial behavior, may face a sterner lesson... It is when those type of events start occuring on a regular basis that there is a problem. While the FAA/NTSB concluded that probable cause in Ford's Santa Monica country club "hard landing" was due to mechanical issues causing a cessation of power (as I recall), I find it remarkable for a departing aircraft from the airport where it was based to not have spilled a significant amount of fuel on impact. I found no mention, nor saw no environmental haz-met team on site in the media accounts of the incident I recall reading/viewing. ...How long ago was that? |
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VIDEO: Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
If the report below is to be believed, it would appear that Ford was a bit confused and making multiple mistakes during his flight. The bit about the airliner being in danger flies in the face of normal procedures at KSNA. Airliners often hold short of 20L on the extreme northern taxiway while landing traffic descends over them to the threshold. Personally, I find that procedure a bit ironic given the minimum runway incursion distance is something like 150' or 300'. http://people.com/movies/harrison-fo...rsial-landing/ "Harrison Ford is heard making mistakes during radio communication with air traffic control in the minutes leading up to his close call at a California airport earlier this week, when he nearly crashed into a passenger plane after erroneously landing in a taxiway instead of the runway he was cleared to use. In newly released audio obtained by TMZ, the Star Wars legend is told his tail number, “Husky Niner Hotel Uniform,” and a personal code of 0214. However, Ford responds by stumbling over his words, telling the control tower that he was flying a helicopter rather than his single-engine plane. The 74-year-old actor is also told his radio transmission was made to the wrong tower — rather than switching to the Los Angeles tower, he’s still communicating with the Santa Monica Airport from which he departed. Just 18 minutes after the transmission, the licensed pilot of many years accidentally maneuvered toward a taxiway rather than the runway he was cleared to land on. His plane flew over an American Airlines departing flight with 110 passengers on board and a six-person crew. The Dallas-bound 737 aircraft was reportedly able to safely take off minutes after the incident." On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:21:23 -0800, Larry Dighera wrote: Lots of video of this incident he https://twitter.com/i/moments/834441236182396929 On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:30:33 -0800, Larry Dighera wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:22:31 -0000, wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:57:12 -0000, wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: snip Mr. Ford is either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both. Another possibility; he ****ed up. That's beyond a possibility. It's a certainty. Then it is not possible that he is "either losing his cognitive abilities, or he lacks due respect for the requirements to operate responsibly, or both"? Oh Plezze. Jim, I know you're smarter than that question would appear to imply. Or have you just contracted a case of Trumpacity ("Trump Mendacity")? :-) It is, in my humble opinion, entirely possible, if not probable, that it was either fellow airman Ford's possible less than reverent attitude toward aviation, and the lessons it provides, and/or senescence-based progressive physical impairment creeping in on its regular course, that precipitated what you refer to as a Foxtrot Uniform. The LA Times said Ford may not have been able to see over the nose of the tail-dragger well enough to see the runway. That's a bogus excuse in my opinion. I suppose you have never in your life done anything that in retrospect you concider stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment? When those type of events began to occur while PIC, I judged it was time to stay out of the left seat. I'm not saying it's easy, but it is something virtually all pilots must face at some point. You'll see ... For most people those type of events begin to occur as soon as mommy and daddy are out of sight. Acts that I committed as an adult (which I believe is more germane to the discussion) that I would consider "stupid due to a momentary lapse in attention, focus or judgment" are generally grounded in a causality based on stimuli in the physical world, or psychological in origin. A wise person who is astute and attending to the events occurring in his/her life well enough to recognize the opportunity for introspection FU's provide, will deliberate internally on the dynamics involved, and attempt to adjust his future behavior based on the results of that analysis so that similar errors are not repeated. Those who choose to ignore facts, and continue to repeat non-beneficial behavior, may face a sterner lesson... It is when those type of events start occuring on a regular basis that there is a problem. While the FAA/NTSB concluded that probable cause in Ford's Santa Monica country club "hard landing" was due to mechanical issues causing a cessation of power (as I recall), I find it remarkable for a departing aircraft from the airport where it was based to not have spilled a significant amount of fuel on impact. I found no mention, nor saw no environmental haz-met team on site in the media accounts of the incident I recall reading/viewing. ...How long ago was that? |
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VIDEO: Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
What "extreme northern taxiway" are you talking about? Lima is at the
end of the runway and if a plane is behind the hold short lines, then no landing plane is going to go over it. If I had as many aircraft as Ford, I'd probably confuse them all the time too. And he didn't switch from SMO to LAX on the handoff? Quelle Horreur! Larry Dighera wrote: If the report below is to be believed, it would appear that Ford was a bit confused and making multiple mistakes during his flight. The bit about the airliner being in danger flies in the face of normal procedures at KSNA. Airliners often hold short of 20L on the extreme northern taxiway while landing traffic descends over them to the threshold. Personally, I find that procedure a bit ironic given the minimum runway incursion distance is something like 150' or 300'. http://people.com/movies/harrison-fo...rsial-landing/ "Harrison Ford is heard making mistakes during radio communication with air traffic control in the minutes leading up to his close call at a California airport earlier this week, when he nearly crashed into a passenger plane after erroneously landing in a taxiway instead of the runway he was cleared to use. In newly released audio obtained by TMZ, the Star Wars legend is told his tail number, ?Husky Niner Hotel Uniform,? and a personal code of 0214. However, Ford responds by stumbling over his words, telling the control tower that he was flying a helicopter rather than his single-engine plane. The 74-year-old actor is also told his radio transmission was made to the wrong tower ? rather than switching to the Los Angeles tower, he?s still communicating with the Santa Monica Airport from which he departed. Just 18 minutes after the transmission, the licensed pilot of many years accidentally maneuvered toward a taxiway rather than the runway he was cleared to land on. His plane flew over an American Airlines departing flight with 110 passengers on board and a six-person crew. The Dallas-bound 737 aircraft was reportedly able to safely take off minutes after the incident." -- Don Poitras |
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VIDEO: Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
Don Poitras wrote:
What "extreme northern taxiway" are you talking about? Lima is at the end of the runway and if a plane is behind the hold short lines, then no landing plane is going to go over it. If I had as many aircraft as Ford, I'd probably confuse them all the time too. And he didn't switch from SMO to LAX on the handoff? Quelle Horreur! If he was landing at SNA, why would SNA hand him off to LAX? -- Jim Pennino |
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VIDEO: Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
Larry Dighera wrote:
If the report below is to be believed, it would appear that Ford was a bit confused and making multiple mistakes during his flight. I think I will believe the official report when it is released and not jump to conclusions based on blather from the aviation ignorant media and TMZ. -- Jim Pennino |
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VIDEO: Harrison Ford Mistakenly Lands Husky On KSNA Taxiway
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:28:47 -0000, wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote: If the report below is to be believed, it would appear that Ford was a bit confused and making multiple mistakes during his flight. I think I will believe the official report when it is released and not jump to conclusions based on blather from the aviation ignorant media and TMZ. I wasn't able to find any mention of Ford's incident in the FAA Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices https://www.faa.gov/data_research/ac...liminary_data/ , FAA Accident and Incident Data System (AIDS) http://www.asias.faa.gov/pls/apex/f?p=100:12:0::NO::: nor NTSB databases https://ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/index.aspx . That seems unusual. |
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