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"Don Harstad" wrote in message ...
"Mutts" wrote in message ... Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents? Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it? When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter even without a cannon. Whats up? public outcry or something? What's up? Common sense. You can't have a helo gunship blasting the Interstate or side streets, downtown, etc... with innocent people standing around or driving. Even the smallest fragments from cannon fire could kill somebody nearby in a car, sidewalk, looking out a store window, etc... Seems like you've been watching "Blue Thunder" too much! Rob p.s. However, hypothetically, it WOULD be interesting to see a Police version of an AC-130 tackle a Los Angeles riot! |
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It never fails. Those who spit on the cops are members of the NRA or GOA.
iespam (N329DF) wrote in message ... Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Let's see, the average cop on the street can't hit a thing with a side arm unless he fires 10+ shots, and you want to give them a cannon ? Matt Gunsch, A&P,IA,Private Pilot Riding member of the 2003 world champion drill team Arizona Precision Motorcycle Drill Team GWRRA,NRA,GOA |
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Don Harstad wrote:
"Mutts" wrote in message ... Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents? Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it? When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter even without a cannon. Whats up? public outcry or something? Discharging a firearm toward another is considered deadly force. The use of deadly force is very restricted, and understandably so. Simple traffic violations have never been considered to justify the use of deadly force. Reminds me of a T-Shirt that used to be popular at airshows, though I haven't seen it in several years (darn it, mine is wearing out.) Cartoon of a stretch of desert highway with the standard "Speed checked by aircraft" sign, with an F-4 with CHP markings and a full bomb load flying above. Then there was the T-38 with LAPD markings that appeared in the film "Dragnet" (the Dan Aykroyd/Tom Hanks version)... [snip] -Marc -- Marc Reeve actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m |
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Let's thezm use Apache, and everything will be clear... |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message .. . "Paul F Austin" wrote in news "Ragnar" wrote "Mutts" wrote ... Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Excellent question! I've always thought they should put at least an M-60 on the police choppers. Would put a stop to the car chases real quick. That sounds about right. If the police are going to use armed helos, they need sufficient firepower. I would want at_least_an M60 turret welded on the bottom of each one. Maybe an M1 turret would be better. Or two. Can't have enough firepower. Are you suggesting an AC-130 gunship??? 8-) No, I'm suggesting that armed police helos should be "armed" to the point that they can't get wheels up. I don't trust police with automatic weapons much less anything heavier. |
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"Marc Reeve" wrote in message . .. Don Harstad wrote: Then there was the T-38 with LAPD markings that appeared in the film "Dragnet" (the Dan Aykroyd/Tom Hanks version)... [snip] -Marc Yeah! I saw that... great bit. We received a model M-60 tank that was painted in our Sheriff's markings... Looked good. Don H. |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
"Ragnar" wrote in : Excellent question! I've always thought they should put at least an M-60 on the police choppers. Would put a stop to the car chases real quick. Or they could use a Barrett light 50 M82A1 .50BMG rifle. If they can't get a car with 10 rounds.... The US Coast Guard--which occupies a grey zone between law enforcement and military--has begun arming some helicopters to stop fleeing high-speed boats. Their approach has been to use a machinegun for warning shots, followed by a hand-held .50-cal rifle to shoot to disable the engines. However, this does not translate well to regular police use. The USCG is dealing with isolated targets on the high seas, with no chance of stray shots hitting civilians. The rules for stopping smugglers at sea are also less restrictive than the use of force rules for domestic police forces. This is one area where the Coasties benefit from their semi-military status. For comparison, civilian law enforcement offficers are usually *forbidden* to fire warning shots because of the risk to bystanders. They are also forbidden to use lethal force unless necessary to protect themselves or a bystander. "He was getting away" is generally not sufficient justification for shooting at someone, unless you have reason to believe he's going to threaten another person once he's out of sight. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." - Senator Carl Schurz, 1872 |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
om... What's up? Common sense. You can't have a helo gunship blasting the Interstate or side streets, downtown, etc... with innocent people standing around or driving. Even the smallest fragments from cannon fire could kill somebody nearby in a car, sidewalk, looking out a store window, etc... Yeah, unless your a civilian in Iraq! Si |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:35:55 -0500, "Don Harstad"
wrote: "Mutts" wrote in message .. . Wouldnt a cannon on a police helicopter solve a lot of problems for law enforcement? Is it possible to put a round right through the engine block of a suspect fleeing and stop them from killing innocents? Seems like that kind of accuracy is possible now isnt it? When those guys were robbing the bank in LA, seems like it would have been an easy shot to make from a helicopter even without a cannon. Whats up? public outcry or something? Discharging a firearm toward another is considered deadly force. The use of deadly force is very restricted, and understandably so. Simple traffic violations have never been considered to justify the use of deadly force. Regarding the bank robbery, the use of deadly force from a helicopter might have been justified, but the circumstances might not have been conducive to its use. Too great a chance of injuring a bystander, for example. I certainly don't have enough knowledge of that particular event, but I have a feeling that just about every alternative was being considered. The use of a cannon by police would be entirely too risky. On the other hand, there were times when I would have welcomed a chance to call in an air strike. grin Don H. Also imagine how much this would *cost*-- not just the helicopter, but the training, which I imagine would be rather intense . All this for a system that would almost never be used, and would provide a continual drain on the police force. At least in California, there is already some law being pushed to drastically limit the rights of officers to initiate high speed chases, so you can see the likelyhood of them getting permission to blow up a fleeing car. If you wanted a more realistic and doable idea, I would suggest passing some form of law that would expidite the ability of the police to request military help in a situation where they're outgunned. If it's bad enough that you need a helicopter gunship, you'd be better off calling for people who practice all the time in using htem. |
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