Adding rudders to Logitech Wingman (can it be done)?

Yes, you can use your wheels brake and throttle pedals as rudders.
My advice would be to download the Logitech controller software and
configure things up before launching your game.
Some games get mixed up when they see two controllers in use as well.

It all depends.

Not-My-Real-Name wrote:
Yes, you can use your wheel's brake & throttle pedals as rudders.

Thank you for your advice to help me simulate a Citabria 7ECA in MSFS.

The only problem with your suggested approach (it seems to me anyway)
is I don't see any way to attach the "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel"
separate gas-and-brake pedals to either the "Logitech Wingman Attack 2"
joystick or to the computer because the GP gas-and-brake pedals have
only a telephone connector (the USB part is in the steering wheel). The
steering wheel doesn't seem like a good substitute for a yolk or
joystick either, as it doesn't go up & down the steering column.

Maybe there is a telephone-to-usb or telephone-to-serial adapter so I
can plug the driving gas-and-brake pedals into the computer, but if
there isn't, then I think I'll probably go and add Jay Williams'
suggested USB "CH Pro Pedals" and a USB splitter with the existing
joystick.

So, it seems my best option is:
- Give up on leveraging the (automotive) racing wheel & pedals
- Keep the existing USB joystick
- Buy the "CH Pro Pedals" and a USB splitter
Connect the joystick & pedals first to the 2:1 splitter, then to the
PC.

I guess the other option is to just buy a third unit which combines a
yoke and a set of rudder/brake pedals. The advantage of this option is
the ability to simulate the Cessna 172 (which I might try some day in
the real).

Does anyone have a recommended beginner yoke & rudder combination?

On 19-Feb-2005, "Flight Sim newbie" wrote:

Maybe there is a telephone-to-us or telephone-to-serial adapter so I
can plug the driving gas-and-brake pedals into the computer, but if
there isn't, then I think I'll probably go and add Jay Williams'
suggested USB "CH Pro Pedals" and a USB splitter with the existing
joystick.

So, it seems my best option is:
- Give up on leveraging the (automotive) racing wheel & pedals
- Keep the existing USB joystick
- Buy the "CH Pro Pedals" and a USB splitter
Connect the joystick & pedals first to the 2:1 splitter, then to the
PC.

Hi Newbie...

Hang on, before rushing out to buy those expensive, but otherwise nice, CH
Pedals...

You CAN use those pedals of yours... together with the stick.
But you have to connect the pedals to the steering-wheel, and thru that to
your computer.

The trick is to configure FS9 to ignore the wheels left/right movement under
joystick assignment.
Then you will have rudders to play with.. ;o)
I have previously posted a guide on how to do it...(I use a similar
setup...)
So hang on, and I will find it and repost.. ;o)


Regards
Mikael K

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Sorry.. no direct reply-email.. ;o)

On 19-Feb-2005, "Mikael K" wrote:

I have previously posted a guide on how to do it...(I use a similar
setup...)
So hang on, and I will find it and repost.. ;o)

OK.. Found it... attached below...
Read it, try it.. ;o)

Any questions?? Please drop a post..

Regards
Mikael K

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I have also been playing around with the pedals lately, as I am lucky to
have the Logitech Wingman Formula Wheel with pedals attached.
And inspired by all the latest postings about rudder-control and helos, I
wanted to try rudder-control by pedals
During my 'research' I have also read the FS9-document how to get pedals to
work as rudder from MS, and as you did I also find it a bit unclear what to
do about the basics...

But...
I have now managed to make a setup, where the rudder (and rear rotor on
helos) are going back to 'neutral' when releasing the pressure on either
pedal...
For my 'Flight-stick' I am using a Logitech Wingman Force Feedback Joystick.
Both controllers are connected with USB, and I am NOT using the Logitech
Profiler software to assign controls.

I will now try to explain what I did, to get rudder/rear rotor control with
the pedals...:

With the joystick and wheel/pedals connected and calibrated, the only change
I had to make from the default setup, was to adjust the way pedals worked
via 'Game Controllers' in the 'Control Panel'. Under 'Settings' in
'Properties' for the wheel, I did select 'Use pedals as...' to 'Combined
(Single-axis)'.

Then in FS9 I navigated to the 'Joystick Axis'-tab under 'Controls' -
'Assignments'
And by selecting the wheel under 'Joystick Type' (NOT first selecting
slew-mode, which I think is a misguiding from the editor of the
support-doc), I just assigned the 'Rudder Axis' to the pedals, by selecting
the axis and pressing either of the pedals ('Combined pedals' is now showing
as selected axis).
I did also checked the 'Reverse', in order to make the A/C go right when I
press the right pedal, and vise versa...
I then also removed any other unwanted control-assignments from the wheel,
as Aileron- and Elevator-axis, to eliminate possible influence, like from a
not-centered wheel, on the control of the A/C.

And that was it...
Out on the air-strip, up in the Cessna, and of I took with 'real'
rudder-steering by feet on the taxi-way and in the air..
All I have to do now, is to remember to disable 'Auto rudder' under realism,
when I want to fly with pedals..

I hope this makes sense to you, or just speak up, and I will try to explain
myself better... ;o)

Regards
Mikael K

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Mikael K wrote:
I will now try to explain what I did, to get rudder/rear
rotor control with the pedals...:

Hhhhhhmmmmhhhhmmmmm.

It seemed a bit involved but doable.
I'm gonna try it and see what happens.
I have lower-end equipment than you, so that may be a problem.
Yet, even so, your writup seems followable.

If I understand the flow, we basically hook all three components up:
- Pedals to steering wheel (via telephone jack)
- Steering wheel to PC (via USB)
- Joystick to PC (via USB)

And then we basically turn off the steering wheel in MSFS 2004.
That leaves the pedals & joystick working (if I understand correctly).

This will be very interesting to try.
Thank you so very much for the tip.
I will test it out and (if & when successful) give an update.

This is a great newsgroup!

Sounds like Mikael's gas / brake pedals use just one axis, so it should
work.

"Flight Sim newbie" wrote in message
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Mikael K wrote:
I will now try to explain what I did, to get rudder/rear
rotor control with the pedals...:

Hhhhhhmmmmhhhhmmmmm.

It seemed a bit involved but doable.
I'm gonna try it and see what happens.
I have lower-end equipment than you, so that may be a problem.
Yet, even so, your writup seems followable.

If I understand the flow, we basically hook all three components up:
- Pedals to steering wheel (via telephone jack)
- Steering wheel to PC (via USB)
- Joystick to PC (via USB)

And then we basically turn off the steering wheel in MSFS 2004.
That leaves the pedals & joystick working (if I understand correctly).

This will be very interesting to try.
Thank you so very much for the tip.
I will test it out and (if & when successful) give an update.

This is a great newsgroup!

Mikael K wrote:
Connect the pedals to the steering-wheel, & thru that to the PC.
That's easy as that's the way the "Formula GP Racing Wheel" is
designed.
This is great news!

The trick is to configure FS9 to ignore the steering wheel ...
I'm not sure what FS9 is but I'll guess that the same as MSFS 2004.
My very cluttered apartment is tiny so I prefer to reuse what I have.

It would be great if this hardware configuration would work:
- "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel"
--- Pedals attached to the steering wheel by teephone jack
--- Steering wheel attached to the PC by a USB hub
- "Logitech Wingman Attack 2"
--- Stick attached to the PC by a USB hub

I'll keep checking for your update tonight before I sleep.

"Flight Sim newbie" wrote in message
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Not-My-Real-Name wrote:
Yes, you can use your wheel's brake & throttle pedals as rudders.

Thank you for your advice to help me simulate a Citabria 7ECA in MSFS.

The only problem with your suggested approach (it seems to me anyway)
is I don't see any way to attach the "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel"
separate gas-and-brake pedals to either the "Logitech Wingman Attack 2"
joystick or to the computer because the GP gas-and-brake pedals have
only a telephone connector (the USB part is in the steering wheel). The
steering wheel doesn't seem like a good substitute for a yolk or
joystick either, as it doesn't go up & down the steering column.


LOL!
You attach the steering wheel and the joystick to the PC AT THE SAME TIME
(ala the USB ports).
However, you put the wheel on the floor or to the side (it's not used), but
continue to use the pedals.

Make sure your joystick is the primary controller in Windows. For the
wheel/pedals, make sure your pedals are reported as two axis, not one (this
is a setting you adjust in the Logitech Wingman software).

Then when you're in the game, assign your axis to the joystick as needed,
but for rudder "press the pedals" to assign them.
The assignment will vary by game.

Originally Posted by Not-My-Real-Name

Yes, you can use your wheels brake and throttle pedals as rudders.
My advice would be to download the Logitech controller software and
configure things up before launching your game.
Some games get mixed up when they see two controllers in use as well.

It all depends.

Thank you so much for the post. It's really informative!