Garmin 430/530 and WAAS: Delayed again?

"Mike Rapoport" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and
upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...


That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming
up
with new things to sell you.

Assuming they make money on those $1500 upgrades...


True. I suspect that if you take out the developement costs (which they
would incur anyway), that they will make some (perhaps not much) money.

So going back a few years, did Garmin really intend to produce a
WAAS upgrade, or was it vaporware to fend off competition? And since
said competition is gone...

-jav

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
...
"Mike Rapoport" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
...
"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and
upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they
are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating
competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...


That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by
coming
up
with new things to sell you.

Assuming they make money on those $1500 upgrades...


True. I suspect that if you take out the developement costs (which they
would incur anyway), that they will make some (perhaps not much) money.

So going back a few years, did Garmin really intend to produce a
WAAS upgrade, or was it vaporware to fend off competition? And since
said competition is gone...

-jav


At the time nobody knew what the TSO would look like and what would be
required. I think that it has turned out to be more difficult to meet the
146 standard than anyone would have thought.

Mike
MU-2

"Roy Page" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and
upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

-jav

That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming
up with new things to sell you.

Mike
MU-2

Yes, I agree that Garmin will make more money by selling something new.
Why bother with upgrading the 430 when the 480 is selling and is so much
better ?
I think they will finish the engineering of the G1000 related stuff and
they will announce a complete new box making 430's and 480's obsolete.
In modern day digital terms, the 430 is yesterday's CPU.
Why bother retrofitting it with a maths co-processor ?

--
Roy
N5804F - On old PA28-181 Piper Archer II with steam gages !


When you think about the retrofit market, the form factor and functionality
are pretty much fixed. The box has to be 6.25" wide. It has to have VHF
radio functionality. I needs VOR/LOC/GS. It needs a color screen. It
needs to be able to control (and display) other boxes for
weather/entertainment/traffic ect. So at the end of the day, whatever you
do, it is going to look a lot like a 530.

Todays CPU is a lot like yesterdays CPU, it just runs faster, has more
memory and more bells and whistles.

Mike
MU-2

Andrew,

And while we're at it: What about terrain for the 430 and/or the 530?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

I suspect that there are a lot of reasons including:

Certification issues
Availible engineering resources
Slow implementation of LPV approaches by FAA

There are many tens of thousands of 430s and 530 installed and
upgrading
them represents a lot of revenue for Garmin, so I doubt that they are
just
sitting on their hands.

My cynical view is different.

Garmin announced WAAS upgradeability to compete with the CNX80.

Garmin acquired UPSAT, and with it the CNX80, eliminating competition.

WAAS upgrade for the GNS series, you ask... yeah, um...

-jav

That makes no sense from their point of view. They make money by coming
up with new things to sell you.

Mike
MU-2

Yes, I agree that Garmin will make more money by selling something new.
Why bother with upgrading the 430 when the 480 is selling and is so much
better ?
I think they will finish the engineering of the G1000 related stuff and
they will announce a complete new box making 430's and 480's obsolete.
In modern day digital terms, the 430 is yesterday's CPU.
Why bother retrofitting it with a maths co-processor ?

--
Roy
N5804F - On old PA28-181 Piper Archer II with steam gages !


When you think about the retrofit market, the form factor and
functionality are pretty much fixed. The box has to be 6.25" wide. It has
to have VHF radio functionality. I needs VOR/LOC/GS. It needs a color
screen. It needs to be able to control (and display) other boxes for
weather/entertainment/traffic ect. So at the end of the day, whatever you
do, it is going to look a lot like a 530.

Todays CPU is a lot like yesterdays CPU, it just runs faster, has more
memory and more bells and whistles.

Mike
MU-2

Yes it will look something like, and take the place of, a 480/430/530.
However, with technical *advances* the marketing boys will present it as
today's CPU, the box we all must have.

--
Roy
N5804F - PA28-181 Piper Archer II with steam gages.

Mike Rapoport wrote:

When you think about the retrofit market, the form factor and functionality
are pretty much fixed. The box has to be 6.25" wide. It has to have VHF
radio functionality. I needs VOR/LOC/GS. It needs a color screen. It
needs to be able to control (and display) other boxes for
weather/entertainment/traffic ect. So at the end of the day, whatever you
do, it is going to look a lot like a 530.

It looks a lot like my 480 does today :-)

I'm getting more an more impressed with this box every hour I fly behind
it. GPS Steering is way cool.

Thomas Borchert wrote:

And while we're at it: What about terrain for the 430 and/or the 530?

I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the 430,
were already available. No?

- Andrew

Andrew,

I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the 430,
were already available. No?


Would be news to me.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Andrew,

I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the
430,
were already available. No?


Would be news to me.


http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/120104.html

discusses certification for the 530. An early announcement of this feature
for both 430 and 530, with a schedule of availability (from Garmin, so keep
that salt grain handy {8^) is at:

http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/060403.html

The best bet is to call and ask. Let us know what you find, please. I
spoke to someone at Garmin late last year, I believe, when release of
terrain for both was just weeks away. Whether it actually occurred,
though...

- Andrew

Thomas Borchert writes:

Andrew,

I thought that certified terrain for the 530, and noncertified for the 430,
were already available. No?


Would be news to me.

TAWS has been available for the 530 for a bit, actually.

-jav