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JAG and Petty Officers
In watching JAG over the last few years, these lawyer types address Petty
Officers as Petty Officer "So and So". I had a "Crow" on my sleeve for 2 years and was never addressed as Petty Officer, nor did I ever hear anyone else called a Petty Officer. Of course this was back in the late 50's when female sailors were "Waves". Is this the new and improved Navy or is it just the blackshoes? |
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"Jack & Bev Biagini" wrote in message ... In watching JAG over the last few years, these lawyer types address Petty Officers as Petty Officer "So and So". I had a "Crow" on my sleeve for 2 years and was never addressed as Petty Officer, nor did I ever hear anyone else called a Petty Officer. Of course this was back in the late 50's when female sailors were "Waves". Is this the new and improved Navy or is it just the blackshoes? They incorrectly address folks as "Petty Officer". The correct way to address folks is "Petty Officer Jones", "Chief Nelson", Commander Rab", etc. Junior Enlisted deserve to be addressed correctly too! Larry Senior Chief USN Retired |
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I don't recall any published instructions or edicts, but I recall it
becoming the accepted form in the Navy between 1970 and 1975. Before, E-6 and below were addressed by last name, CPO's as Chief, Senior Chief or Master Chief, and officers up to LCDR were Mister. The fastest way for a sailor to ruin his day was to address a Marine, Army or Air Force officer as "Mister", though. Rick "Jack & Bev Biagini" wrote in message ... In watching JAG over the last few years, these lawyer types address Petty Officers as Petty Officer "So and So". I had a "Crow" on my sleeve for 2 years and was never addressed as Petty Officer, nor did I ever hear anyone else called a Petty Officer. Of course this was back in the late 50's when female sailors were "Waves". Is this the new and improved Navy or is it just the blackshoes? |
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"Yofuri" wrote in
: I don't recall any published instructions or edicts, but I recall it becoming the accepted form in the Navy between 1970 and 1975. Before, E-6 and below were addressed by last name, CPO's as Chief, Senior Chief or Master Chief, and officers up to LCDR were Mister. The fastest way for a sailor to ruin his day was to address a Marine, Army or Air Force officer as "Mister", though. Rick "Jack & Bev Biagini" wrote in message ... In watching JAG over the last few years, these lawyer types address Petty Officers as Petty Officer "So and So". I had a "Crow" on my sleeve for 2 years and was never addressed as Petty Officer, nor did I ever hear anyone else called a Petty Officer. Of course this was back in the late 50's when female sailors were "Waves". Is this the new and improved Navy or is it just the blackshoes? By the time I retired in '89, last name only was out. Petty Officer by itself, or Petty Officer [Schmuckatelli] were the "approved" forms of address. The Marines at the gates at Miramar address everyone who comes through by their rank - when I go through, it's "Good morning/afternoon/evening Petty Officer", cuz they read it right off my retired ID card. It was a little odd at first, but now I just say thank you. Dave in San Diego |
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The fastest way for a sailor to ruin his day was to address a Marine, Army
or Air Force officer as "Mister", though. When I was in the marines, late 40s to mid-50s, lieutenants were commonly addressed as "Mister." But only with the surname added, never just plain "Mister." IIRC, Midshipmen and perhaps Navcads in flight training were sometimes addressed as "Mister" without a surname added. However, it would have been a mistake to address a marine captain or major as "Mister," even though the naval equivalents, lieutenant and lieutenant commander, are (or were) Misters. It was also a custom, at that time, to address officers in the third person. The first time an enlisted man said to me, "Would the lieutenant like a cup of coffee?" it took me a few seconds to realize he meant ME! vince norris |
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Now that brings back fond memories!
I got into the third-person habit while an E5, and the only Navy assistant to a Marine Captain O-in-C. When I went back to squid duty, Navy officers looked at me like I had two heads when I did it. I also kept a "high and tight" haircut until the fabled J. R. (Jumping Jim) Foster chewed me out for looking like a Prussian or something. Since I had a sincere desire to make PO1 at the time, I humored him and let it grow out. It worked. A later foulup (as a W1), was addressing a message to a Commander who was O-in-C of a beachdet. That's when I learned the difference between SNA and SENAV. Rick '57-'85, E1 to O4 "vincent p. norris" wrote in message ... The fastest way for a sailor to ruin his day was to address a Marine, Army or Air Force officer as "Mister", though. When I was in the marines, late 40s to mid-50s, lieutenants were commonly addressed as "Mister." But only with the surname added, never just plain "Mister." IIRC, Midshipmen and perhaps Navcads in flight training were sometimes addressed as "Mister" without a surname added. However, it would have been a mistake to address a marine captain or major as "Mister," even though the naval equivalents, lieutenant and lieutenant commander, are (or were) Misters. It was also a custom, at that time, to address officers in the third person. The first time an enlisted man said to me, "Would the lieutenant like a cup of coffee?" it took me a few seconds to realize he meant ME! vince norris |
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I don't recall seeing what Rick saw during the 1970 - 1975 period, but that
may not mean much. In the places I was stationed, anyone below Chief was addressed simply by their last name. Chiefs were always "Chief." "Mister" as a form of address for Navy officers below O-5 was used increasingly infrequently, although it was ALWAYS used for Midshipmen and officer candidates. The trend toward addressing a superior by his / her role was becoming more pronounced ("Hey, OPS!"). The Skipper and XO were always AT LEAST that, if not "Sir" / "Ma'am." One thing to remember: Donald P. Bellisario, JAG's producer, is a former Marine. I've often suspected that much of the titular formality one observes on JAG (and which I rarely observed during my active duty time) comes from Bellisario's experiences in the USMC of the 1950s. Again, just my suspicion. -- Mike Kanze "Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." - Paul Rodriguez "Yofuri" wrote in message ... I don't recall any published instructions or edicts, but I recall it becoming the accepted form in the Navy between 1970 and 1975. Before, E-6 and below were addressed by last name, CPO's as Chief, Senior Chief or Master Chief, and officers up to LCDR were Mister. The fastest way for a sailor to ruin his day was to address a Marine, Army or Air Force officer as "Mister", though. Rick "Jack & Bev Biagini" wrote in message ... In watching JAG over the last few years, these lawyer types address Petty Officers as Petty Officer "So and So". I had a "Crow" on my sleeve for 2 years and was never addressed as Petty Officer, nor did I ever hear anyone else called a Petty Officer. Of course this was back in the late 50's when female sailors were "Waves". Is this the new and improved Navy or is it just the blackshoes? |
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And we are leaving out Warrant Officers in this discussion. In 2/61 I
reported aboard VAH-5 in Forrestal early in a Med cruise. My 'jg stripes were tarnished, but the ship was full (6,000 men in those days) so I was assigned a room with a W-4 in warrant country. I was not only just an O-2 but an airdale NAO(B) with an orange flight suit. I don't remember my roommate's name, or that he even spoke to me. I don't even know what I would have addressed him with. Within a few weeks I was moved to the 03 level, under the forward port cat where the port passageway dog-legged, with the xo of the marine detachment, a West Point grad. Everything was fine until he put up a recruiting poster of a Marine in dress blues with the words, "The Marine Corps Builds Men!" on my closet door which was visible all the way down that port passageway when our door was open. I took Miss February 1961 to our photo intel lab and our first class I forget the air intel rate McKelvey carefully trimmed her and mounted her on white oak tag and in the same shades of red and blue he wrote, "The Navy Makes Women!" I taped it side by side with the Marine poster. My 2/LT didn't talk to me for two weeks. When sailors or Marines came to the room for counselling or whatever, he would take the posters down so they wouldn't get the wrong idea about us. I don't think I addressed him as LT or Mister, just Ted. I do have a slide of the two posters, I've sent it to nephews in NROTC. I see Forrestal parked alongside Saratoga in Newport when I visit my oldest daughter's Army family there. I would give anything to go aboard with a flashlight, I think I could still find my way around. Joel McEachen VAH-5 -------------------------------------------- Mike Kanze wrote: I don't recall seeing what Rick saw during the 1970 - 1975 period, but that may not mean much. In the places I was stationed, anyone below Chief was addressed simply by their last name. Chiefs were always "Chief." "Mister" as a form of address for Navy officers below O-5 was used increasingly infrequently, although it was ALWAYS used for Midshipmen and officer candidates. The trend toward addressing a superior by his / her role was becoming more pronounced ("Hey, OPS!"). The Skipper and XO were always AT LEAST that, if not "Sir" / "Ma'am." One thing to remember: Donald P. Bellisario, JAG's producer, is a former Marine. I've often suspected that much of the titular formality one observes on JAG (and which I rarely observed during my active duty time) comes from Bellisario's experiences in the USMC of the 1950s. Again, just my suspicion. |
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As a 20 Yr Navy Guy . 60 to 81 . Being addressed as Petty Officer is
nothing new. But the term may have increased more during and certainly after the Zumwalt era . |
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