Could the Press Grow a Spine?

"Denyav" wrote in message
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I could not find anything in US Constitution that allows Pentagon Generals
to
plan and execute PSYOPs aganist their own civilian superiors in Washington
or
aganist Sayered Duvdevan in Iraq.

If you could find something please let me know.


What has that to do with my message?

From: (ArtKramr)


Fact: Kerry went to war. Bush didn't.


Arthur Kramer

I went to war too. Clinton lied to ROTC to get out of it. Dean lied to a draft
board to get out of it. Cheney was too busy. Bush was in the guard. Kerry was
in the Navy.

What, in the name of all that is holy does, this have to do with their plotical
histories?

The only ones that should be excluded from public office are Clinton and Dean
since he admitted to committing felonies: providing fraudulent medical
"evidence" to his draft board and smoking marijuana which was a felony at the
time.

Dan, U.S. Air Foce, retired

From: (WalterM140)
Date: 6/25/2004 1:26 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


Fact: Kerry went to war. Bush didn't.


Ed mentioned Orwell. It's orwellian to belittle the hero and laud the
shirker.

Walt


Walt, pay attention, Ed did NOT belittle Kerry. He simply pointed out that you
keep repeated things about Bush's service record that he has refuted.

Putting words in his mouth only makes your arguments more foolish than they
already are.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (WalterM140)
Date: 6/25/2004 12:08 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

I've twice posted a list of more than twenty Navy officers from the
Swift boat program who discredited Kerry's record.

And I've posted his fitrep. I'll do her again:


Walt, if you had ever served a day in the military you'd know fitreps, OERs,
citations etc are generally inflated. If you try to write a report over a
specified period, in the case of OERs usually a year that includes all the
notible actions of the reportee you'd be writing a book. Therefore you pick 2
or 3 actions or events and pad the hell out of them.

I don't know about the Navy, but I do know an APR 8 (out of 9) or the
equivillent rating in an OER is considered career stopper in the Air Force.


And besides, no matter what those swift boat officers say, Bush has NO right
to
say squat because he didn't serve.

Walt


He's a U.S. citizen and can say what he wants. Show me where he personally has
denigrated Kerry's military service.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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And besides, no matter what those swift boat officers say, Bush has
NO right to say squat because he didn't serve.


You're confusing Bush with Clinton. Bush did serve in the military, it was
Clinton that did not.

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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What I know is that there is a 16 month break in his service, and that's a
no-no.


No, you don't know that, you believe that. There is a difference.

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Discount it if you like. I remember that they had someone comd forward
who
said Kerry's 3rd wound was just a scratch.
Seems like he was a corpsman. If you discount that, it doesn't bother me.


According to the doctor who saw him Kerry's wound required no medical
treatment. According to his commanding officer Kerry's "wound" was not
received in action with an enemy. Kerry nominated himself for a Purple
Heart for this "wound". He used this unearned Purple Heart to leave Vietnam
after serving just a third of his tour. Kerry is a man without honor.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Fact: Kerry went to war. Bush didn't.


Fact: Kerry used an unearned Purple Heart to get out of Vietnam after
serving just a third of his tour. Bush didn't.

WalterM140 wrote:
Fact: Kerry went to war. Bush didn't.



Ed mentioned Orwell. It's orwellian to belittle the hero and laud the shirker.

Walt

The Republicans and their junior college instructor lackey's have a long
history of belittling those who served well while exaggerating the
military records of their, more prudent, candidates.

Can anyone remember the 1972 election? During WWII Richard Nixon ran a
Navy fruit drink stand at some South Pacific backwater supply base while
George McGovern was leading groups of B24s in daylight attacks on Nazi
Europe. AFter the war McGovern used the GI Bill to get a Ph.D., while
Nixon used slush funds to finance red baiting.

By election time in 1972 the Republican propaganda machine convinced the
weak minded and ignorant that Nixon was the warrior and McGovern the dodger.

They're trying to pull the same trick in 2004.

Cheers

--mike

"Mike Dargan" wrote in message
news:qd0Dc.117009$0y.58857@attbi_s03...

The Republicans and their junior college instructor lackey's have a long
history of belittling those who served well while exaggerating the
military records of their, more prudent, candidates.

Can anyone remember the 1972 election? During WWII Richard Nixon ran a
Navy fruit drink stand at some South Pacific backwater supply base while
George McGovern was leading groups of B24s in daylight attacks on Nazi
Europe. AFter the war McGovern used the GI Bill to get a Ph.D., while
Nixon used slush funds to finance red baiting.

By election time in 1972 the Republican propaganda machine convinced the
weak minded and ignorant that Nixon was the warrior and McGovern the
dodger.

They're trying to pull the same trick in 2004.


I can remember the 1972 election, but I sure don't remember what you
described. I think you fabricated it.