Keep Bashing France

I'm aggre with you John. I hope one day they will open their eyes

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"tscottme" wrote in message ...

If the French and Germans got their way Saddam's children's prison would
still be full, Saddam would still be filling mass graves ...

Right... and since the American administration got _its_ way, there
are now between 7000 and 10,000 Iraqi civilians occupying individual
graves, with perhaps another 20,000 - 30,000 wounded. I'm sure you
think that that's a small price to pay -- they're not _your_
relatives, after all -- but one must keep the body count straight.

Scott
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"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out.

Yup. They pulled right out of the army's ass, and after that the media
could actually see what was going on in the world.

Scott

In article ,
"Franck" wrote:

For the Iraq biological and chemical weapons programs, look to Germany
and France who sold them most of their equipment.

and US not ??? open your eyes

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Nothing in that story about selling equipment for the Iraq chemical
weapons program.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...866942,00.html

The "materials" we sold them were *pesticides* for agricultural use.

"Furthermore, in 1988, the Dow Chemical company sold $1.5m-worth
(£930,000) of pesticides to Iraq despite suspicions they would be used
for chemical warfare."

They weren't, of course. They were *pesticides*, and not suited for use
against people.

No chemical weapons production materials or equipment. The anthrax
samples were from the American Type Culture Collection, and have been
sold for preparing vaccines since the 1920s.

http://www.kvinnonet.org/war/WarCriminals3.html

Nothing in this one about any suggested sales of chemical or biological
warfare production equipment.

http://www.topos.org/rumsfeld.html

Ditto here.

but may be all this inforamtions are false and sure i'm a poor victim of
horrible manipulation.

No, you're just a victim of doing a search for "chemical weapons iraq
United States" and pasting it into your post without actually reading
your "sources."

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In article ,
"John Mullen" wrote:

There really isn't any point in arguing here. This is a guy who believes all
criticism of the USA is tantamount to communist propaganda.

No, it's just "a guy" who keeps reading some very badly written stories
that claim the opposite of what's actually happening in this case.

He also believes that the situation in Iraq is currently getting
better day by day,

On the other hand, since we have actual evidence that things in Iraq
*are* getting better every day, the burden is on you to prove otherwise.

and that anyone who says different is a lefty propagandist.

Well, in this case, it's more that the folks who fell for some of these
stories are pretty far left-wing (when you see sources like Common
Dreams, it's far left bordering on the Socialist at *best*).

And calling some of those sites "propagandists" is being kind.

It just isn't worth it.

Of course it's worth it. You might actually learn something some day.
Such as "you need better news sources."

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In article ,
(Scott MacEachern) wrote:

Right... and since the American administration got _its_ way, there
are now between 7000 and 10,000 Iraqi civilians occupying individual
graves,

You mean 800 to 1200. That range you used is from the same guy who did
the Afghan "body count" site, which had a tendency to take the largest
numbers, add them together, and not cross-check for multiple reports,
recording three to six times the number the *UN* got...

And even at that, they're massively ahead of the normal amount killed
and maimed by the Hussein regime in a six month period.

Hell, even with your overly-high numbers, they're ahead of the game and
getting further ahead with each passing week.

You still don't understand just how incredibly awful it was in Saddam's
Iraq, do you?

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some other article :

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Of course my dear. May be you live on the parallel world but sure we don't
live on the same world

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/12/48877.html

Sure mister DR meet Saddam Hussein only to take a cup of tea and discuss
about the last Scharzy movie

Excuse me for the offense to the honorable Mister Mickey Rumsfeld

another examples :

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...sseinindex.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...1231rumsfeld.h
tm

The US provided less conventional military equipment than British or German
companies but it did allow the export of biological agents, including
anthrax; vital ingredients for chemical weapons; and cluster bombs sold by
a CIA front organisation in Chile, the report says.

Howard Teicher, an Iraq specialist in the Reagan White House, testified in
a 1995 affidavit that the then CIA director, William Casey, used a Chilean
firm, Cardoen, to send cluster bombs to use against Iran's "human wave"
attacks.

A 1994 congressional inquiry also found that dozens of biological agents,
including various strains of anthrax, had been shipped to Iraq by US
companies, under licence from the commerce department.

sure only for pesticide !!

Furthermore, in 1988, the Dow Chemical company sold $1.5m-worth (£930,000)
of pesticides to Iraq despite suspicions they would be used for chemical
warfare.

only for pesticide

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Franck wrote:

The "materials" we sold them were *pesticides* for agricultural use.

of course my dear, France it was not for nuclear weapon but only for
electricity )))

I beleive it's not an aviaiton NG, just an humor NG

of course Mister Rumsfeld never meet Saddan Hussein to help this guy in the
war against Iran..never

USA great peace country, never produce anti personnal mine for some
dictator, nerver help Saddam, never help Pinochet, ...and lot of other
examples ...a real nice country, an exemple for all the world

I get the distinct impression you don't much care for the US of A.

I think you have prejudices of your own you should deal with.


SMH

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:20:57 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

You mean 800 to 1200. That range you used is from the same guy who did
the Afghan "body count" site, which had a tendency to take the largest
numbers, add them together, and not cross-check for multiple reports,
recording three to six times the number the *UN* got...

Nope, sorry, wrong again. Those numbers are from the Iraq Body Count
site (www.iraqbodycount.org), not started by Marc Herold.... he's only
one of a large number of people contributing to that site. The
methodology is reasonably robust, with a requirement that casualties
be substantiated by two separate organisations -- it's probably as
good as you're going to get under the circumstances -- and the numbers
are in line with an AP survey that looked at a smaller area of the
country. You really shouldn't believe everything _The Weekly
Standard_ writes. Although it's interesting to see what even they get
embarassed about.

And even at that, they're massively ahead of the normal amount killed
and maimed by the Hussein regime in a six month period.

And here we have the fallback excuse... even if the numbers _are_
accurate, Iraqis are better off now that Americans have only killed
7000 - 9000, and wounded 20,000, in six months. But even that's not
the case: a vicious psycopath he certainly was, and Iraq is better off
without him, but look at the Amnesty International reports for the
last few years. They're at
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index
America has managed perhaps 10 years of Saddam Hussein's killing in
the last 6 months.

Hell, even with your overly-high numbers, they're ahead of the game and
getting further ahead with each passing week.

Always interesting to hear from people willing to democratise to the
last dead Iraqi...


You still don't understand just how incredibly awful it was in Saddam's
Iraq, do you?

I perhaps have a better idea than you do: I've had to spend some time
in countries like that. But keep vapouring on about how unimportant
those deaths tolls a no doubt it makes you feel better.

Scott

???
thks doc

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In article ,
"Franck" wrote:

The "materials" we sold them were *pesticides* for agricultural use.

of course my dear, France it was not for nuclear weapon but only for
electricity )))

Well, it's not too shocking you can't tell the difference between actual
pesticides (a standard-issue type used on crops) versus a nuclear
reactor made just to produce bomb materials...

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