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The Yugoslavs returned to the arms control treaty/inspections within
months of the end of the conflict. The last time that they exchanged information was January 1999 when they pulled out due to the on-going Kosovo crisis.Apart from the Dayton Accord they also rejoined the Vienna Document and in late 1999 revealed that they had lost 18 MBT and 136 ACV. They also revealed that they had lost 50 fixed wing combat aircraft and 11 combat helicopters. The problem with using those statistics is that those only show operational equipment (atleast that is how I understand it), so damaged equipment would show as a loss too. |
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No it's not, but I'm talking about pictures I've seen personally, not a
collection of pictures of every hulk in Kosovo. The pictures I saw were taken by an Air Force Tactical Air Controller assigned to the first US Army unit to move into Kosovo. Over his 4 month deployment he had access to about 1/4 of Kosovo and took pictures of 12 tanks and armored vehicles. If we assume the rest of Kosovo was equally littered, that's 48 tanks. I'm not contending we hit 48 tanks, just pointing out that 1 US Air Force ETAC took pictures of more destroyed vehicles than the Serbs admitted were destroyed. Could they be lying? Well perhaps they have the same "total loss" system that US has: unless its in 10 kg bits, it ain't a total loss |
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Alejandro Magno wrote:
America entered the war in Europe in summer 1944 when Germany was in constant retreat from the Eastern front since summer 1943. guffaw Anzio and Sangro, they're just names, We only came to look for dames. We are the D-Day Dodgers Way out in Italy. Yes, I know it's a British song, but the men of U.S. Fifth Army could also lay claim to it after a slight like that last one. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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noname wrote:
Russian SUPER technology page http://www.funet.fi/~timaham/toilet/ American technology is so reliable that fails before the mission begins: http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/host...empt/id14.html My respect to those AMERICAN HEROES who lost their lives trying to rescue their countrymen, but American technology did not cooperate. More he http://www.iraqwar.ru "And so we had Afghanistan, when the most powerful air force in the world ridiculously bombed fuzzy-wuzzies in sandals and turbans. The latest technology was used, with bombs costing thousands of times more than the worth of their targets" "And after Afghanistan we had Iraq II. This war on Iraq was initiated solely because the country, situated only a few miles away from the bandit, terrorist state, could pose a potential future threat to it." Taken from he http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1382 and there is more for my proud American friends: "Afghanistan never attacked the United States. Iraq never attacked the United States. Israel did -- and the United States immediately surrendered. The Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty. Israel will fiercely combat the truth, for it is the one weapon against them in which they have no defense." taken from: http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread...threadid=52499 More information at http://www.ussliberty.org (a knife in the back of America by her "ally") Who is Jonnatan Pollard ? ups .. ups.... ups .... another stab in the back And what about Mr. Lavon ? http://www.angelfire.com/oz/1spy/Lavon.html ups .. ups ... ups ... another stab in the back Shooting planes down with civilians http://www.mathaba.net/info/flight114.htm http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/974655/posts Americans like hunting, Israelis, too. http://geocities.com/mossadlibrary/trophy.html Poor jewish woman: http://islamonline.net/English/News/...rticle04.shtml A palestinian boy playing with a tank: http://www.giwersworld.org Who is the secretary of Defense ? http://www.nowarforisrael.com http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/12/Counterpunch_1.html http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=11325 http://nogw.com/warforisrael.html Highest IQ in the world: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1575 http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/st...storyid=703396 I still do not uderstand, America needs oil, the arabs have the oil, an America is on Israel side. Can someone explain that to me ? Americans really know how to get along between each other: Poor little girl http://www.nationalvanguard.org/docs/joyner_shark.mp3 http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1091 I thought that Americans were Christians, but a special kind of Christians, Christians who do not read the BIBLE. Learn from me, lets spell the word "BIBLE". B. Basic I. Intructions B. Before L. Living E. Earth Are you still with me or is it too complicated ? Now, lets read the BIBLE, today passage is John 7:13 "Others replied, "No, he deceives the people." But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the Jews." Do not believe me ? http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/...&version=N IV Americans have a great education: http://www.ocpathink.org/Education/W...ohnnyRead.html "In the government schools, hundreds of thousands of graduates from the twelfth grade cannot read their own diplomas...." Per capita, Chile is almost as rich as America: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1388 Nice country you got !!!! The only politician who is a real AMERICAN is Pat Buchanan. But Americans do not listen. They want to live their little happy lives inside the MATRIX fed by propaganda coming from jewishland. http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwrdet.htm http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/usafuture.htm Enjoy what is left of your country. Alejandro Magno III |
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(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/4/2004 4:52 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (BUFDRVR) wrote in message ... You should be grateful to Mother Russia, it was Mother Russia who defeated the Nazis, otherwise there would be a swastika flying on the top of the White House in Washington, DC, and on the Tower of London. I beg all the readers of this to *not* re-open that debate!! There is no conclusive evidence either way and all we get are the resident kooks like our friend here throwing around insults.... There is no debate. Soviet Union won the war in Europe. Stalingrad the largest battle in the history. Kurks the largest tank battle. It's spelled Kursk. America entered the war in Europe in summer 1944 when Germany was in constant retreat from the Eastern front since summer 1943. The British and American bombing of Europe in 1942,1943 and 1944 doesn't count? How about North Africa, Sicily and Italy? Hitler started to execute Jews in 1942(after the Wannasse conference), America did nothing for the Jews. Tell that to the Jews who were murdered starting not long after the invasion of Poland. How about Baba Yar? That was before Wannsee. Please note the correct spelling. The only reason of D-Day was to stop uncle Joe Stalin from washing his boots on the Portugal coast. "Clash of Titans" from Amazon.com Yes, as a tertiary reason for the invasion. Liberating Europe was the primary, taking pressure off the Soviets was secondary. In other words, D-Day was the first confrontation of the Cold War. Only in your mind. Great, so not only are you a Russian/Soviet fanatic, but a racist to boot......... BUFDRVR I am proud of my relatives and ancestors, are you ? Magno Once again you don't let facts actually stop you. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message om... Either way, Russian hardware has never performed up to expectations in real battle. Kursk ? I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians. The best tanks of WW2 were Soviet and German. Even the French had better tanks than America. I would also note that Germany's "better" tanks lost, as did France's "better" tanks. Also note that LeClerc's French Armored Division that rolled into Paris AFTER if was liberated was riding in American Sherman tanks. Russian tanks were wiped off the battlefield in Iraq (twice). Russian aircraft were wiped out of the sky over Bekaa, Kosovo, Libya and Iraq. Russian anti-aircraft defenses were pushed into the dustbin of history in Syria, Viet Nam, Serbia and Iraq. Really ? Yes, really. The Syrians alone lost 85 Soviet-built planes in the 1982 Lebanon campaign, and managed to shoot down 0 US-built planes. Russian submarines sink by themselves. Just like the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion. Yes. However, the Soviets managed to lose at least 5 subs, one of which still sits in 15,000 feet of water off Norway. |
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"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message om... Mother Russia is 1,500 years old and she has never been defeated. Actually, "Mother Russia" wasn't a state until about 1400 AD. That would make them about 600 years old. As for defeated, I note you avoid the Tartars kicking ass and occupying 'Russia" for nearly 250 years. Catherine the Great was a great woman. I wish we could have more like her. Umm, Catherine was GERMAN. She ruled over your precious Russians and was the best they had until the Revolution. |
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"Ragnar" wrote in message ... "Alejandro Magno" wrote in message om... Either way, Russian hardware has never performed up to expectations in real battle. Kursk ? I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians. The best tanks of WW2 were Soviet and German. Even the French had better tanks than America. I would also note that Germany's "better" tanks lost, as did France's "better" tanks. Also note that LeClerc's French Armored Division that rolled into Paris AFTER if was liberated was riding in American Sherman tanks. Russian tanks were wiped off the battlefield in Iraq (twice). Russian aircraft were wiped out of the sky over Bekaa, Kosovo, Libya and Iraq. Russian anti-aircraft defenses were pushed into the dustbin of history in Syria, Viet Nam, Serbia and Iraq. Really ? Yes, really. The Syrians alone lost 85 Soviet-built planes in the 1982 Lebanon campaign, and managed to shoot down 0 US-built planes. Also consider that the Israelis were flying aircraft of foreign origin which invalidates Russian claims that their aircraft would fare much better if Russians were flying them. In any case, either their aircraft don't perform or the Russians are really poor teachers. Isreali techniques for defeating the Syrian sam defenses were adopted by the Americans in the first Gulf War. One of the interesting stories is how the US came up with drones nearly from scratch while the build-up was ongoing. By the time hostilities started, the US had a fleet of drones that it used to sucker the sam sites into turning on their radars. Iraqi air defenses were wiped out pretty much the first day. The Iraqi-US tank battles of the first Gulf War are pretty interesting to read about in detail. That was when there were no sanctions and Saddam was buying Russia's best tanks. Khadafi's confrontation with the US Navy was a washout for him. Serbs lost their SAM sites and their Air Force was relegated to hangar guard duty. It doesn't matter much if you have an Air Force if you can't/won't fly it. Russian submarines sink by themselves. Just like the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion. Yes. However, the Soviets managed to lose at least 5 subs, one of which still sits in 15,000 feet of water off Norway. The waters around Russia are littered with the rusting hulks of their submarines, many of them still with their reactors. |
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I went to the fights and all of the sudden a hockey game broke out.
Afghanistan just ratified a new constitution. Saddam is in jail and power will be turned over to the Iraqis in just 6 months time. Libya has dismantled its WMD There may be potential for friendly dialogue with Iran. With each country that joins the family of nations, more attention is focused on the remaining few. If Iran decides to behave in a civilised manner, then we have to look closer at North Korea. Cuba and Venezuela come next. Then we have to do some cleanup on Syria and whatever troublemakers remain out there. Has Bush made Americans safer since 9/11? You betcha. There's still lots more to do though. I don't think Dean the Daschle clone is going to have a chance against Bush to be honest. Neither Bush or Dean are very likable but Bush has proven he gets things done. Dean is just the loudmouth schoolyard bully. He didn't accomplish anything in Vermont. If Al Gore was president, he would have fired a couple cruise missiles into the Indian Ocean and proclaimed victory over the Taliban and Saddam. If Al Gore was president, both repressive regimes would still be in power. If must rile all you ultra-liberal Euro-socialists to know that in the big scheme of things, it is the US that controls your destiny. |
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