Eurofighter is turning into German nightmare

In article , Stephen Harding
writes
BBC, CNN, ABC and the like can be right in that Baghdad neighborhood when
an errant bomb from those aggressive, bloodthirsty Americans goes off, but
are absent when Saddam's thugs round up Kurdish villagers "for interrogation"
never to be seen again.

But isn't that Saddam the same one the west armed in the '80s and fought
a war against in '90/91, only to leave him in power? Aren't those the
same Kurds the west said they'd help if they rose up against Saddam, but
didn't and allowed him to use helicopters against them when they did?

What about Turkey, are they bombing the Kurds in northern Iraq?

--
John

"TJ" wrote in message ...
"ZZBunker"

The US was hardly standing by idle, since we bought and renovated
Diego Garcia from the idiot British. Just in case their
Indian sub-empire gets like you know, how do the British say it, bridgy.


Diego Garcia is still BIOT (British Indian Ocean Territory). The joint UK-US
facility is on lease to the US. Please explain to the commissoner in the
Foreign and Commonwealth Office, London, that the US has bought outright
Diego Garcia and the BIOT.

I didn't say that we bought BIOT. Given that I bought
Tee-shirts from Picadilly Circus, Stone Henge, BIOT, Gitmo,
Rockerfeller Center, The White House, and The Pentagon, none of them is
anything more than a standard issue British-French-Canadian tourist trap.

But, being Americans, rather than moron Europeans we
bought landing rights in Diego Garcia, Puerto Rico, Brazil, Argentina,
Panama, Ireland, Scotland, London, Paris, Berlin, Toronto, Moscow, Rome,
Tel Aviv, New York, Washington, Los Angelos, San Diego, San Franciso,
Seattle, Norfolk, North Carolina, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Orlando,
Miama, Toykeo, Soeul, Sydney, The North Pole, The South Pole, North Dakota,
Wyoming, and the Moon.

We didn't really buy landing rights in Jeruselem since the
Iraqis have squatters rights.

John Halliwell wrote:

In article , Stephen Harding

BBC, CNN, ABC and the like can be right in that Baghdad neighborhood when
an errant bomb from those aggressive, bloodthirsty Americans goes off, but
are absent when Saddam's thugs round up Kurdish villagers "for interrogation"
never to be seen again.

But isn't that Saddam the same one the west armed in the '80s and fought

Not that I know of. US followed a policy of cautious favoritism for Iraq
as opposed to Iran (for obvious reasons). This "US armed Iraq" line is way
out of proportion from truth.

Pretty much, the Soviets armed Iraq, and did so throughout the Saddam reign,
and if the UN (French) get the US out of Iraq within 6 months, will be arming
Saddam again inside of 5 years.

Yet only the American flirtation with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war seems to
be remembered.

a war against in '90/91, only to leave him in power? Aren't those the

Why are you arguing against this? Isn't this the UN line? Isn't this what
many of the "hate Bush so much I'll help Saddam" crowd believes? Why criticize
something you seem to believe in?

same Kurds the west said they'd help if they rose up against Saddam, but
didn't and allowed him to use helicopters against them when they did?

For all the same reason spoken today by anti-Bush people for getting out of
Iraq. If you argue in favor of immediate withdrawl, or non-involvement to
begin with, how can you bring up American non-involvement in 1991?

What about Turkey, are they bombing the Kurds in northern Iraq?

Don't think so. The PUK seems largely under control now.


SMH

On 2 Oct 2003 13:00:49 -0700, (Stuart Wilkes)
wrote:

"Christians for Cheeseburgers." wrote in message .net...
"DM" wrote in message
...

For the largest nation on earth, what is truly amazing is just how
little
Russia has given to world civilization.


How about saving the world from the Nazis in WW2? ;-)

(see, every thread gravitates to the Nazis eventually!)



They did not save the world from the nazis.

They certainly saved Poles in Poland.

They only sought to save themselves

They offered to supply weapons and muntions to Poland in 1939. Beck
and Rydz-Smigly couldn't be bothered. Dumb. I mean, even the
"Peanut" had the sense to take Soviet arms and munitions when they
were offered.

but did not pass up the chance to enslave eastern Europe.

Hey, the West was perfectly willing to see the Nazis take over Eastern
Europe.

The West didn't lift a finger to impede the military conquest of
Poland, or the process of racial/cultural extermination the Nazis then
initiated.

Eastern Europe only became important to Western Russophobes as the
Soviet Army got close.

Stuart Wilkes

Great Britain and France both declared war on Germany within a day of
the invasion of Poland.

Al Minyard

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
...
On 2 Oct 2003 13:00:49 -0700, (Stuart Wilkes)
wrote:

Great Britain and France both declared war on Germany within a day of
the invasion of Poland.

Close. IIRC, the Germans invaded on 1 September (at about 0500 GMT). HM's
government declared a state of war as of 1200 Berlin time on 3 September.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On 2 Oct 2003 13:00:49 -0700, (Stuart Wilkes)
wrote:

"Christians for Cheeseburgers." wrote in message .net...
"DM" wrote in message
...

For the largest nation on earth, what is truly amazing is just how
little
Russia has given to world civilization.


How about saving the world from the Nazis in WW2? ;-)

(see, every thread gravitates to the Nazis eventually!)



They did not save the world from the nazis.

They certainly saved Poles in Poland.

They only sought to save themselves

They offered to supply weapons and muntions to Poland in 1939. Beck
and Rydz-Smigly couldn't be bothered. Dumb. I mean, even the
"Peanut" had the sense to take Soviet arms and munitions when they
were offered.

but did not pass up the chance to enslave eastern Europe.

Hey, the West was perfectly willing to see the Nazis take over Eastern
Europe.

The West didn't lift a finger to impede the military conquest of
Poland, or the process of racial/cultural extermination the Nazis then
initiated.

Eastern Europe only became important to Western Russophobes as the
Soviet Army got close.

Stuart Wilkes

Great Britain and France both declared war on Germany within a day of
the invasion of Poland.

And then did what to militarily assist the Poles?

Stuart Wilkes