Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

On Mar 25, 3:34*am, Jay Maynard
wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:

Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any of
you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to do so
or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns, if the whole
thing is just a Zoom vendetta?

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

The issue isn't so much rather the tax is real but rather it should be
tied into a damning of the Sun-N-Fun event. Clearly, the story was a
reprint with the intent to do harm to the Sun-N-Fun event by
association and a threat that it could happen to anyone attending. I
won't comment on rather something is wrong with the Florida Use Tax
without full details of the context in which it was applied. Using it
to threaten anyone attending Sun-N-Fun with a similar tax or implying
that Sun-N-Fun has any direct relation is totally without merit and
only shows that Campbell will stop at nothing to destroy the event.

On 2008-03-25, BobR wrote:
The issue isn't so much rather the tax is real but rather it should be
tied into a damning of the Sun-N-Fun event.

For you and the other folks primarily concerned with Zoom, perhaps not. For
me as a new aircraft owner, I don't care if he's trying to trash Sun n Fun
or not: I care if Florida is going to try to ding me form $10K or so merely
for taking my new airplane there. I don't care who's raising the red flag,
or why. That AOPA is pursuing the matter is all the credibility I need to be
concerned about it.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

In article ,
Jay Maynard wrote:
That AOPA is pursuing the matter is all the credibility I need to be
concerned about it.

Yes, that's why I'm taking it seriously. I'll wait until the AOPA has
something to say.

In the meantime, just to be safe, if you buy a plane from a Florida
company, have them deliver it.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any
of you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to
do so or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns,
if the whole thing is just a Zoom vendetta?

I am not a "Zoom-basher". This is the first time I've ever looked into an
issue related to Jim Campbell. I've been posting to Usenet for many years
and have never previously discussed anything about this fellow and
otherwise could care less. I do have issues with deceptive "journalism"
though.

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.

But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue on,
say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:49:07 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote:

Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any
of you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to
do so or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns,
if the whole thing is just a Zoom vendetta?

I am not a "Zoom-basher". This is the first time I've ever looked into an
issue related to Jim Campbell. I've been posting to Usenet for many years
and have never previously discussed anything about this fellow and
otherwise could care less. I do have issues with deceptive "journalism"
though.

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.

But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue on,
say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?

Florida DOR can derail the entire thing by publishing on letterhead
something that says "Merely entering the state of Florida for vacation
or training in an aircraft that has changed hands within the last six
months will not neccessarily incur the state use tax" and listing the
specific conditions (based in FL, registered to a FL address, etc)
which would lead to the tax assessment, but they haven't done that
either.

On Mar 25, 1:53*pm, Peter Clark
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:49:07 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote:





Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any
of you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to
do so or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns,
if the whole thing is just a Zoom vendetta?

I am not a "Zoom-basher". This is the first time I've ever looked into an
issue related to Jim Campbell. I've been posting to Usenet for many years
and have never previously discussed anything about this fellow and
otherwise could care less. I do have issues with deceptive "journalism"
though.

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.

But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue on,
say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?

Florida DOR can derail the entire thing by publishing on letterhead
something that says "Merely entering the state of Florida for vacation
or training in an aircraft that has changed hands within the last six
months will not neccessarily incur the state use tax" and listing the
specific conditions (based in FL, registered to a FL address, etc)
which would lead to the tax assessment, but they haven't done that
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You guys are missing the boat a little bit. The Fla tax code reads."
If a plane is flown into the state for the intent of doing business
the owner/s are liable for paying the tax. " Even if it is for a day
or a week. Now imagine all the new aircraft that are being flown in to
demo, display and participate in the Sun and Fun fly in that are out
of state registered. By the current tax code the Fla dept of revenue
has every right to ramp check and impose said tax on those aircraft.
You can spin it any way you want and Zoom might be" less then
honerable" but the current law is what it is.....
YMMV.

On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue on,
say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?

No. That doesn't mean it's not an issue. I'll believe it's not an issue when
AOPA says it's not an issue. As I've said before, AOPA is not in the habit
of crying wolf.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

On Mar 25, 7:04*pm, Jay Maynard
wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue on,
say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?

No. That doesn't mean it's not an issue. I'll believe it's not an issue when
AOPA says it's not an issue. As I've said before, AOPA is not in the habit
of crying wolf.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

I want to know why there is only one such incedent like this reported?
I have seen many new planes passing through Florida for business in
the last year. Just this past January they had the Light Sport
Exibition in Sebring. I didn't hear of one problem with the tax
collectors and they had about 150 vendors and planes here for
commercial use.

Like I stated in an earlier post zzzoom has an axe to grind and that
is the entire reason for this latest rant. You will find one thing
campbell is really good at is lying to get back at someone. Think
about Chuck S. and the Conn situation or the Capella that Shane Smith
crashed. With me he called the CEO of the airline that I worked for
and told him that I got into an argument with the international judges
at the Breitling cup event in Pompano Fl. Told him that I argued that
I was a manager for his airline and I could watch from the judges
area. What zzzoom didn't know was that I was there with the VP of
operations and he knew that nothing of the sort happened.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq

Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue
on, say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?

No. That doesn't mean it's not an issue. I'll believe it's not an
issue when AOPA says it's not an issue. As I've said before, AOPA is
not in the habit of crying wolf.

Jay, it now looks like the EAA also now thinks it is an issue:

http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-03-25_florida.asp

It contains the specific sections of the FL tax code that it has
concerns about. I did a bit of searching and found the "Official
Internet Site of the Florida Legislature" and the code in question is
here (212.05 and 212.06):

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...EChapter%20212

The EAA letter mentions two pending bills in the FL house and senate
that address the issue, which can be found he

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sectio...6&SessionId=57

and he

http://www.flsenate.gov/session/inde...8&billnum=2856

One caveat: there are a lot of states in the U.S. with sales and use
taxes and it would not surprise me if others also contain ambiguous laws
that can cause pocketbook grief to the unwary if the tax authorities got
aggressive.

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue on,
say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?

How about the Boston Globe with an Associated Press story? It includes a
quote by Louis Meiners, a Florida aviation tax consultant:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...f_state_taxes/

-Mike