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"David Galehouse" wrote:
"William Davenant" wrote in message m... Gactimus wrote in message ... It's a very amusing situation. Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of course. Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the [Democratic National Committee] and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once. (SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer in an August 24, 2004 article). |
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"David Galehouse" wrote in
: "William Davenant" wrote in message m... Gactimus wrote in message ... It's a very amusing situation. Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of course. Perhaps that shows who has the integrity. ("directing" the SBVets??? Perhaps more like innocently answered some question or two.) And many of those SBVets are DemocRATs! I note that the Kerry campaign has close ties to a lot of 527's (like MoveOn.org) AND Michael Moore.One would have to be very naive to believe they do not communicate with (or "direct")some 527's.Kerry had MoveOn people on his platform at the DNC convention,IIRC. And he has NOT disavowed their ads,nor Fahrenheit 911. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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"Brett" wrote in
: "David Galehouse" wrote: "William Davenant" wrote in message m... Gactimus wrote in message ... It's a very amusing situation. Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of course. Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the [Democratic National Committee] and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once. (SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer in an August 24, 2004 article). Tuesday, Aug. 24, 2004 Kerry Boasts of Links to Bush-Hating 527 Groups http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/172440.shtml NewsMax Uncovers Kerry's Ties to Anti-Bush Groups http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/153719.shtml -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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"David Gale" wrote in message ... Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities? Bush's side, of course. Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news. |
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"Brett" wrote in message . .. Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of course. Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the [Democratic National Committee] and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once. (SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer in an August 24, 2004 article). He's right, there is nothing at all wrong with it. But Galehouse isn't referring to lawyer Benjamin Ginsberg, who provided legal advice to the Bush campaign and to the Swift Boat Vets. Ginsberg had no input into any of the SBV activities. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
"David Gale" wrote Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities? Bush's side, of course. Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news. Exactly. He didn't lie, he was a legal professional, who thought his personal ethics should not be in question. Kerry has the same legal professionals, and they don't think it is a question of ethics. I believe both are right, however I also believe that the 527's are bad for politics and individual campaigns. If they were about party politics, rather than individual politics, then I think they would serve an useful purpose. People with billions of dollars, and a short time to spend it (on either side) can't be trusted to remain reasonable, and they have proven this by billions spent on dredging-up the Vietnam war, and all the losers associated with that era. It's like an American Legion convention for president of the legion, rather than the worlds last superpower. Billions of dollars spent on television ads to argue about history from 35 years ago, rather than the future, and each parties goals for American policy. It's a disgrace, and pure theater. Only the actors will get anything out of it. Cleland, for example, should get an Academy Award for best supporting actor. He looks like he really means it, even though we know it's only a fictional story. |
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"Bob Coe" wrote in message news:xlxXc.14694$ni.7263@okepread01... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote "David Gale" wrote Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities? Bush's side, of course. Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news. Exactly. I'm rather surprised by your admission. Billions of dollars spent on television ads to argue about history from 35 years ago, rather than the future, and each parties goals for American policy. Well, the Republicans are trying to talk about the future, but the Kerry campaign and the mainstream media insist on focusing on Vietnam. |
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"David Galehouse" wrote in message ...
It's a very amusing situation. Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of course. Well, it's even more amusing than you know, which I assume probably isn't any great revelation to people who know you. Ben Ginsburg is a lawyer who specializes in federal election law. (Something I assume has only a limited number of practioners.) He was, until he resigned, one of the Bush campaign's outside legal counsels. He also represented (as an attorney) these Swift Boat vets on matters related to federal election law. For liberals that represented a suspicious nexus. Obviously he must be passing messages between the two (even tho that would probably be a breach of client confidentiality). The media (liberal toadies) would obviously have a field day with this, inventing all manner of fiction. So, according to this standard, Ben must resign. So poor ol' Ben fell on his sword for Bush. Now, here comes the funny part. The Kerry campaign shares an attorney, Robert Bauer, with "America Coming Together," a liberal 527 group which claims to be interested in getting out the vote (not for Bush, tho). There's also Harold Ickes. Ickes organized "America Coming Together" along with "The Media Fund," another 527 group. Ickes sits on the executive committee of the Democratic National Committee. Then there's Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM). He serves on the board of "The New Democrat Network," yet another 527. Oh, by the way, there is also Jim Jordan, who resigned from the Kerry campaign last November. Mr. Jordan is spokesman for "The Media Fund." Oh, then there's Perkins Coie, a law firm. It represents Kerry and "America Coming Together." There's also Joe Sandler. He's top outside counsel to the Democratic National Committee. Sandler also represents MoveOn.org Voter Fund. As an aside, Sandler formerly defended Ginsburg's right to represent both Bush and Swift Boats, but starting on Aug. 25, he referred questions on this matter to the DNC. As I said, it's all very amusing! Will the Democrats apply the same high standards to themselves as they apply to others? ;-) Don't hold your breath, folks! It's a well known fact that Democrats (aka "liberals") are arrogant hypocrites with no moral center who couldn't tell the truth to save their collective mother's soul. Etc. Etc. Etc. That's why John Kerry isn't fit to serve as street sweeper. And it's all very, very funny! I expect to see an expose on Democrat hypocracy and violations of McCain-Feingold tomorrow on PBS/NPR. ;-) wd |
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"Bob Coe" wrote in news:xlxXc.14694$ni.7263@okepread01:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote "David Gale" wrote Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities? Bush's side, of course. Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news. Exactly. He didn't lie, he was a legal professional, who thought his personal ethics should not be in question. Kerry has the same legal professionals, and they don't think it is a question of ethics. I believe both are right, however I also believe that the 527's are bad for politics and individual campaigns. Gee,what about free speech? Poor people have to group together to be able to afford TV ads,but McCain- Feingold put some limits on that,giving rise to the 527's.Poor people do not have the media to air their questions,complaints,or desires,either. The media leans vastly towards Kerry.The media is alleged to give Kerry a 15 point lead. Actually,the public has an opportunity to learn a great deal about Mr.Kerry,if they only pay attention. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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