Russia Threatens to Strike Terror Bases

From: "John Mullen"


In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an
aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber.

Not to be too picky here, but the Nazis launched the Graf Zeppelin in 1938 and
started on "Carrier B." I don't know off the top of my head how far tthey got
on Carrier B. In any event it was scrapped in 1940. The Graf Zeppelin was
scuttled in April 1945. The Soviets raised it after the war and attempted to
tow it to Leningrad. It never made it.

It displaced 23,000 tons and was to have been armed with modified Ju87 and
Me109 aircraft.

Raeder want the aircraft carrier, Goering didn't and Doenitz preferred
submarines.

It would be interesting to see what 2 carrier based task forces, assuming one
carrier each, would have had on the outcome of the war. Had they existed before
the war the Brits would have had to provideair cover in areas they didn't need
to as was the case in the real war . I think very little commerce would have
gotten through from the US.

This is where denyev tells us the Graf Zeppelin was nuclear powered using a
sytem designed by the SS. This is also where art tells us the boat didn't exist
because I wasn't there, read about it in a book and he never saw it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/12/2004 12:57 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Aw now you have called his bluff.

Keith


Sorry,Mr.Willshaw but is 75 years not enough?

Your Nazi regime wasn't in power 75 years ago.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/12/2004 12:55 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far

from 'practcally defeated'

Unlike Anglo led global alliance that had almost unlimited material and human
resources,Germans had exteremely small resources,so when their advances were
stopped or even slowed down only,they were basically defeated,they had no
resources to fight a prolonged war.

Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and
realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different
branches of the Third Reich had *planned*.

Why Anglos did not and do not dispute the fact that,for example,Me262 and
V-2
were developed by germans during the war?
Because they were widely used during war and their existence was witnessed by
the thousands of allied military personnel and civilians.
I am pretty sure if they were not widely used during war and Anglos found
only
a couple of Me262 and V-2s in top secret underground production facilities,we
would now be discussing whether Germans were able to develop fighter jets and
ballistic missiles during WWII.

Actually nuclear technology transfer from Germany to Anglo countries during
last days of WWII and after WWII actually represented the low-end of the
technology stolen from Germany.

Other "wonderful weapons" that 3rd Reich planned became the basis for the
advanced weapons US "developed" within last 60 years.
Lets remember for the technology transfer you dont need always a component
transfer,document transfer is many times sufficent.


In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an
aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose
leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs
for post-war architectural projects

There was NO conventional aircraft,aircraft carrier,submarine or tank project
of 3rd Reich among S-Projects.

During his visit to Klein-Machow facility in fall 44 Hitler was not even
allowed to take his adjutant and personal bodyguard with him into the
facility,much less fiddling with S-projects.

It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions
about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it

Since Ike is not alive now we cannot ask him why he wrote down that
statement.

0 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any
evidence at all for the things you are saying.


What world heard in last 60 years was the story that victorious Anglos needed
world to hear nothing else.

What is an igniter?

Triggering device that Dr.Alvares after inspecting U-234 cargo and debriefing
U234s scientific passenger Dr.Schlicke made to work at the virtually last
minute by "cleaning up some wires".
(He was,like other MP scientists, unable to come up with working igniter
design in previous 18 months,but never mind!)

How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis
lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed
the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans
did not?

Japanase know how were coming from Germany.
Unlike Von Ardenne/Houtermans group that recognized igniter problem at very
early stage and started developing suitable igniter designs in late
41,Manhattan Project scientists recognized that problem very late and that
was
one of the major blunders of MP.
So while Germans perfected their design,Manhattan Project was still trying to
design one.period.
German igniter was so excellent that yield of tested plutonium bomb exceeded
even best predictions of Manhattan Project scientists by a big margin.

Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But
where is your actual evidence for these beliefs?

One thing we all know exactly is that all documents regarding this issue is
classified for 75 years,inlcluding the log of the "regular" US army division
that occupied one of the German nuclear development sites.
So you must check the.correspondence between Anglo management to find first
clues.

1)In March 45 powerful senators asking for the termination of Manhattan
project
because there was no way that they can produce bomb bt the deadline.
2)Even Manhattan projects top scientists predicted in early 45 that not
enough
uran will be available for the bomb.
3)Everthing went according to the their predictions till June but in June an
unpredicted miracle happened.Uran production spiked !.
4)Groves and Anglo management tried to explain this spike in production but
in
close examination everything he said failed explain the spike.So where did
the
extra Uran come from? From outer space maybe?

5)Igniter story is even more ridicilous.
We know that Manhattan Project recognized igniter problem very late and tried
for 18 months to produce a working igniter design in vain.
So Manhattan Project scientists main concern was not even the success of
Plutonium bomb test but was how to collect precious plutonium from the test
area after failed test.
So they were pretty sure that igniter wont work.
But test was a great success,the yield of the bomb exceeded even most
optimistic expectations of Manhattan Projecters by a great margin.
How Manhattan Project scientists made a such big prediction errror?
Well in closer examination you will learn that this "excellent" igniter
arrived
only hours before actual test date and was "designed" by Dr.Alvares (later
Nobel laurate).
Problem is Dr.Alvares was trying to design an igniter for last 18 months
without success,so how he came up with a revolutionary design at the
virtually
last minute?
What Anglo management did not tell the world is that Dr.Alvares was the man
who
inspected U-234 cargo and debriefed Dr.Schlicke and Dr.Schlicke's duty was to
help Japanese to assemble the bomb.period.

After war Dr.Alvares always tried to dodge questions about igniter
development
for 40 years.
When he was asked how he developed an excellent igniter and saved US nuclear
program.
His answer was always enlightening,"Well,I cleaned up some wires"
I am sure his answer did not make von Ardenne happy.

OK, I ask you again, besides what you and the other Nazi teuton have said about
this and other projects have you any verifiable proof from a source other than
UFO sites? You keep telling us about "classified for 75 years" information only
you and teuton know about and how the Nazis manage to detonate 2 atomic bombs
without anyone noticing or anyone involved writing about it. Any idea when you
intend to provide verifiable proof?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

B2431 wrote:

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It would be interesting to see what 2 carrier based task forces, assuming one
carrier each, would have had on the outcome of the war. Had they existed before
the war the Brits would have had to provideair cover in areas they didn't need
to as was the case in the real war . I think very little commerce would have
gotten through from the US.

Man, do you want to go over to sci.military.naval (or rather Google Groups so you
can catch up) and read the current thread "WI: Graf Zeppelin was commissioned";
there's close on 180 messages so far, analyzing the effect, british countermoves,
production capacities, air group training, etc. ;-) Oh, and "A Different Z plan"
might also be of interest.

Guy

(Dav1936531) wrote in message ...
From: (Denyav)


Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists, but
they are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

Putin doesn't seriously believe that the US is allied with Al-Qaeda in any way,
shape, or form.....does he? That is a paranoid delusion.

Depends on your perspective. How stupid was it for the US to ally
themselves with the Mujehedin against a moderate and secular Afghan
government simply because that government had strong Soviet ties?
Anybody who viewed that conflict from the Soviet perspective is
excused for thinking that the US is capable of such a strange
alliance. At the same time that the US fought Islamic fundamentalism
in Iran they were supporting it in Afghanistan.

Do you think the great "sovietologist" Condoleeza Rice is living
completely in the here and now?


Maybe you didn't see the news of the 9-11 attacks. We are looking to kill Osama
bin Laden. Al-Qaeda and it affiliated groups are as much the enemies of the US
as they are the enemies of Russia. We have a common enemy and should cooperate
in its destruction.

I am appalled that our (the US) state department is apparently so far behind
the learning curve that it thinks negotiations with terrorists are some type of
acceptable solution.
Dave

"Guy Alcala" wrote in message
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B2431 wrote:

snip

It would be interesting to see what 2 carrier based task forces, assuming
one
carrier each, would have had on the outcome of the war. Had they existed
before
the war the Brits would have had to provideair cover in areas they didn't
need
to as was the case in the real war . I think very little commerce would
have
gotten through from the US.

Man, do you want to go over to sci.military.naval (or rather Google Groups
so you
can catch up) and read the current thread "WI: Graf Zeppelin was
commissioned";
there's close on 180 messages so far, analyzing the effect, british
countermoves,
production capacities, air group training, etc. ;-) Oh, and "A Different
Z plan"
might also be of interest.

Thanks, gentelemen, for your corrections.

What I should have said was of course:

"This was the regime that never *deployed* an
aircraft carrier..."

Comes to the same thing really; actually, like a lot of their later high-tec
weaponry, it was a negative asset as it must have absorbed a lot of
resources that could otherwise have been used better elsewhere.

John

"Bill Negraeff" wrote in message
om...
(Dav1936531) wrote in message
...
From: (Denyav)



Do you think the great "sovietologist" Condoleeza Rice is living
completely in the here and now?

OT I know, but has anyone else on the NG enjoyed Steve Earle's great song
about Mz Rice on his new album? If not, do.

John

OK, I ask you again, besides what you and the other Nazi teuton have said
about
this and other projects have you any verifiable proof from a source other
than
UFO sites? You keep telling us about "classified for 75 years" information
only
you and teuton know about and

Well,the term UFO has been invented in US AFTER the occupation of Germany alone
this fact should make you a little bit suspicious.

The term used by Kammlers SS advanced weapons research and development
directorate for such craft was SFOs (SonderFlugObjecten) not UFOs.

Regarding classification of documents by Anglos and the lies told by Anglos
there is a direct correlation as classification widely used to cover lies.
One of the best examples of this is the lies of Gen.Groves.
Gen.Groves attemped to explain sudden and unpredicted spike in US u-235
production in June 45 with improvements in uran production process.
Even during hey days of Groves, his explanation met with remarkable sceptism
from experts.
But nobody could prove that he was lying,because total and plantwise u-235
production figures were among Americas best kept secrets.
Now thanks to DOEs openness policy in 90s we all know that US production really
spiked in June 45 but none of US facilities was responsible for the spike.
Groves,knowing that the crucial information will remain classified during his
lifetime,did not bother to to tell lies to public.
Thats the way how world famous Anglo pragmatism works.



how the Nazis manage to detonate 2 atomic bombs
without anyone noticing or anyone involved writing about it. Any idea when
you
intend to provide verifiable proof?

Both test were witnessed by hundreds of people second test on March 4 even by
thousands of people,including almost whole populations of small towns near test
site and even by an USAAF aircrew.

Some of eyewitnesses have even appeared in TV programs in Germany and described
what they saw on March 4.
All eyewitnesses also said that the town people were interviewed by Americans
(and later by Soviets) about the events of March 4,but interestingly there is
no record of such interviews in declassified US archives.

Your Nazi regime wasn't in power 75 years ago.

First of all Anglos made the arrangements with Kammler,another perfect example
of famous Anglo pragmatism.
It was also the Anglos who put all documents connected with German advanced
weapons development under lock for 75 years.

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/13/2004 1:48 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

OK, I ask you again, besides what you and the other Nazi teuton have said
about
this and other projects have you any verifiable proof from a source other
than
UFO sites? You keep telling us about "classified for 75 years" information
only
you and teuton know about and

Well,the term UFO has been invented in US AFTER the occupation of Germany
alone
this fact should make you a little bit suspicious.

The term used by Kammlers SS advanced weapons research and development
directorate for such craft was SFOs (SonderFlugObjecten) not UFOs.

Regarding classification of documents by Anglos and the lies told by Anglos
there is a direct correlation as classification widely used to cover lies.
One of the best examples of this is the lies of Gen.Groves.
Gen.Groves attemped to explain sudden and unpredicted spike in US u-235
production in June 45 with improvements in uran production process.
Even during hey days of Groves, his explanation met with remarkable sceptism
from experts.
But nobody could prove that he was lying,because total and plantwise u-235
production figures were among Americas best kept secrets.
Now thanks to DOEs openness policy in 90s we all know that US production
really
spiked in June 45 but none of US facilities was responsible for the spike.
Groves,knowing that the crucial information will remain classified during his
lifetime,did not bother to to tell lies to public.
Thats the way how world famous Anglo pragmatism works.



how the Nazis manage to detonate 2 atomic bombs
without anyone noticing or anyone involved writing about it. Any idea when
you
intend to provide verifiable proof?

Both test were witnessed by hundreds of people second test on March 4 even by
thousands of people,including almost whole populations of small towns near
test
site and even by an USAAF aircrew.

Some of eyewitnesses have even appeared in TV programs in Germany and
described
what they saw on March 4.
All eyewitnesses also said that the town people were interviewed by Americans
(and later by Soviets) about the events of March 4,but interestingly there
is
no record of such interviews in declassified US archives.

And just where can we find independent proof of your claims?

You have yet to provide any verifiable sources.

What USAAF crew, what were they flying, what unit?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired