Could training at a towered airport have prevented the ADIZ bust

airman wrote:
The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field.

All the talking in the world won't help when the radio's busted. O'Brien's full
of it.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

I wonder if they knew the radio was out, or maybe they were distracted
BECAUSE it was out? Squawking 7600 might have helped.
"George Patterson" wrote in message
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All the talking in the world won't help when the radio's busted. O'Brien's
full
of it.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

All the talking in the world won't help when the radio's busted. O'Brien's
full of it.

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?

I heard that on NPR yesterday, but I just saw a post tonight in which someone
said they called the fighters after they were intercepted.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?

I heard that on NPR yesterday, but I just saw a post tonight in which
someone said they called the fighters after they were intercepted.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Thier radio was NOT inop. They played the tapes on NBC news last night.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?

I heard that on NPR yesterday, but I just saw a post tonight in which
someone said they called the fighters after they were intercepted.

Thier radio was NOT inop. They played the tapes on NBC news last night.

I didn't hear the tapes, but I read the CNN interview with the interceptor pilot
who said that they did communicate on 121.5.

speculation
We all know what the radios tend to be like in 40 year old C150s in the rental
fleet. Could be the radios were good enough to talk to an interceptor that's
dropping flares in front of you, but bad enough to discourage you from trying to
get enroute VFR advisories.
/speculation

"airman" wrote in message
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The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field. I remember how difficult it was to train at a
Class D airport, wishing that I could have made my early training hours
easier at an un-towered field. Now I'm grateful for all the angst and
mike-fright I went through and eventually overcame.


In light of the fact that this entire discussion regards accuracy in the
media, this is NOT what Miles O'Brien said.

In his report O'Brien was attempting to point out that if you depart from an
uncontrolled airfield and you fly in a direction which takes you toward
uncontrolled airspace, you can fly a long way without talking to anyone. He
was trying to contrast the type of flying you can do in Class G/E airspace
without having to actually try and explain the different classes of
airspace. By comparison, he characterized Class B as "airspace around the
countries biggest and busiest airports..." He did not suggest (IMO) in
anyway that flying from an uncontrolled airport makes you more dangerous or
less competent.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Agreed...that he did not imply they were more dangerous, but he did imply
incompetence to handle the ADIZ.


He did not suggest (IMO) in anyway that flying from an uncontrolled airport
makes you more dangerous or less competent.

I don't think anyone has to imply incompetence.

--
Hello, my name is Mike, and I am an airplane addict....

"airman" wrote in message
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Agreed...that he did not imply they were more dangerous, but he did imply
incompetence to handle the ADIZ.

Nobody but nobody believed that this Cessna 150 was a bigger threat than
all of the heavy trucks that were at that very moment driving through
the same no-fly area - and not even being checked to see if they were
loaded with explosives or even worse - spraying biological weapons -
but what a great opportunity to host an exercise, justify the cost, and
reassure the American people that their security forces are on the ball
and ahead of the game.

The two dumb schmucks who were arrested? A cheap price to pay.
I just hope that they get their plane back.

Propaganda - with a capital P!

Tony
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"airman" wrote:

The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field. I remember how difficult it was to train at a
Class D airport, wishing that I could have made my early training hours
easier at an un-towered field. Now I'm grateful for all the angst and
mike-fright I went through and eventually overcame.




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE