BFR.. define "rated".

Pinging the group for an answer here.

Scenario: Up for flight review, elect to have instruction in a
taildragger for the purpose of the flight review. Have a PP-ASEL, but do
NOT have a one time endorsement in tailwheel aircraft that permits one
to be PIC.

The regs say you must take the flight review in an aircraft that one is
"rated" for. Does rated apply to "category and class" or is there also
the need to meet tailwheel, complex or high performance as well (when
applicable)?

The part 61 FAQ's dont address the reviewee needing to have a tailwheel
endorsement specifically, only the reviewer/CFI.

Dave

I believe that category and class is good enough for the definition of
"Rated" but I would have to do a bit of research to give you a 100% for
sure answer.

On the other hand it really shouldn't matter. It will likely take you
about 5 hours to get the Tailwheel endorsement. Most any instructor
would at the end of the 5 hours sign you off for a FR as long as you
also do the 1 hour of ground instruction required as well. Your time
might look like 4 hours of Dual in a tailwheel aircraft. 1 hour flight
training per FAR 61.56. You might have to a bit more for the FR than
just what is required for the tailwheel endorsement but it should be
less than doing them separately.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

Rating are things printed on your ticket. See FAR 1.

-Robert, CFI

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Rating are things printed on your ticket. See FAR 1.

that was my reasoning too; i.e., the original poster
is fine (tailwheel, high-performance, complex, high-
altitude) are endorsements, not ratings.

--Sylvain

My understanding is that you must have all the necessary qualifications in
that aircraft to act as PIC, which would include tailwheel, complex,
high-performance, etc.

Jim


The regs say you must take the flight review in an aircraft that one is
"rated" for. Does rated apply to "category and class" or is there also the
need to meet tailwheel, complex or high performance as well (when
applicable)?

My understanding is that you must have all the necessary qualifications in
that aircraft to act as PIC, which would include tailwheel, complex,
high-performance, etc.

Your understanding is incorrect.

Category, class, and type if required.

In this case, airplane, single engine land

Michael

Dave S wrote:

The regs say you must take the flight review in an aircraft that one is
"rated" for. Does rated apply to "category and class" or is there also
the need to meet tailwheel, complex or high performance as well (when
applicable)?

You need to be rated in category and class. Keep in mind, though, that somebody
needs to be acting PIC. If you don't have the tailwheel signoff, the CFI has to
have it.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Actually, the Part 61 FAQ in the FAA's library specificly REQUIRES the
CFI to have a tailwheel endorsement when providing a flight review in a
tailwheel aircraft. (essentially this falls under the "authorized
instructor" clause, and to be authorized to instruct in a tailwheel, one
must be endorsed, in their view).

Granted, the FAQ's are pretty far down the list in the scheme of things
with regards to the regulatory heirarchy, but it's the "party line".

By the way, in my situation, I did about 8 hours total in the tailwheel,
to the point I could manage wheel landings, 3 pointers and xwinds with
both. This was over 2 days, and combined with some spectacular mountain
area flying in the Salt Lake area. My friend/instructor was not sure if
a BFR in a plane I was not endorsed in would pass the "smell test" if it
were ever auditied, so we hammered things out to the point he felt I was
endorseable for PIC tailwheel. Combined with about 3-4 hours of
tailwheel dabbling over the past 4-5 years, I made the transition fairly
well, given that the 180 was characterized as a little more difficult
than an ordinary entry level tailwheel.

Thanks for the replies and opinions with regards to the ratings issue,
even though at this point it's purely an academic exercise with regard
to me.

Dave

George Patterson wrote:
Dave S wrote:


The regs say you must take the flight review in an aircraft that one
is "rated" for. Does rated apply to "category and class" or is there
also the need to meet tailwheel, complex or high performance as well
(when applicable)?


You need to be rated in category and class. Keep in mind, though, that
somebody needs to be acting PIC. If you don't have the tailwheel
signoff, the CFI has to have it.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"Dave S" wrote in message nk.net...
Actually, the Part 61 FAQ in the FAA's library specificly REQUIRES the CFI to have a tailwheel endorsement when
providing a flight review in a tailwheel aircraft. (essentially this falls under the "authorized instructor" clause,
and to be authorized to instruct in a tailwheel, one must be endorsed, in their view).



Does it say they need the endorsement even if they are grandfathered in (pre what...'93?)???

George Patterson wrote:

You need to be rated in category and class. Keep in mind, though, that
somebody needs to be acting PIC. If you don't have the tailwheel
signoff, the CFI has to have it.

Of course, if your BFR has expired, you can't be PIC during the review
anyhow...