Big John Bites Dicks (Security Clearance)

I haven't gone to the archives and looked at prior activities of BWB
but if they match what has shown up on r.a.h. lately and what others
have said about him, then I can get his clearances pulled if they are
still active.

I'm not making threats, just pointing out what can be done in the
system.

In this PC world today, it is easy to cut someone out of the pattern.


Big John

"I can get his clearances pulled if they are still active."

"I"m not making threats, just pointing out what can be done in the
system." ----Great sentence for a typical lame brain Nazi.

Don't you love it? Some annonymous prick struts in with his gut
retracted, and his chest standing out and threatens to take away a
man's livelihood. This is the kind of pond scum that I hated in the
government. While the President of the United States, gets blow jobs
in the White House, some little prick like this coward is turned lose
on me and my staff. This is the kind of cocksucker who would send you
to to concentration camp if you had an uncle that was a Jew. The
world is full of them.

Johnny Ammeter mentions some stuff above about why I hated having a
clearance. This prick here is why I hated having a clearance. This
jack-off is like taking a minority who has been picked on his whole
life and giving him a badge. This is exactly the kind of prick that
the security forces of ALL governments are loaded with. This jack-off
probably can't fly, most likely has no formal education and probably
retired as an NCO at an E-4 or E-5. You notice he doesn't say he was
a pilot in the Air Force. But he puts that tag on himself here
because this is an airplane group and he assumes it will lend a bit of
credibility to his dishonorable ass. Give a prick like this an inch
and he'll take a mile. He'll **** with a full colonel just because he
can, and he's jealous enough to be motivated to do it.

This prick is the type of little root-worm who walks around a guys
neighborhood asking all of the neighbors how much he drinks and what
his character is all about. Then he writes a report that ****s the
subject out of his clearance...and submits that report on a Friday
just before he himself goes out to a gay bar and sucks someone's dick
or ****s his daughter.

I'd like to meet you in real life, you ****ing coward. God how I'd
love to meet a muther ****er like you. You better hope I never find
out who you are.

Anybody know who this asshole is? Email me and tell me. I may make
him my hobby and hunt him down like an animal.

"I can get his clearances pulled if they are still active."

You go do it, you jack off. You go and do it. I'll see you in Hell.

BWB

Here's the Security Abuse Item of the Day

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...-janitor_x.htm

A janitor had his clearance revoked because he declared bankruptcy 19
years ago.

Why don't we just remove blue and green from the terror alert levels?
We'll never go there as long as the people who decide the level are the
same ones who would lose their power if the level were lowered.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:28:18 -0400, Paul Dowgewicz
wrote:

Here's the Security Abuse Item of the Day

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...-janitor_x.htm

A janitor had his clearance revoked because he declared bankruptcy 19
years ago.

I've heard a lot of anecdotal stories along this one. One guy got turned
down, and raised a fuss. Turned out he'd had the nickname "Klepto" in
grade school. For stealing apples from a tree on the way home...the name
was short for "Apple Kleptomaniac"

My favorite story is about a guy who was filling out his applications, and
came across the question: "Have you or any member of your family ever taken
any action to subvert or overthrow the government of the United States?"

He thought for a moment, then answered, "yes."

Incredibly, the security investigators missed it. The last bureaucratic
who had to sign off on the papers noticed it, and raised a huge stink. The
applicant was brought into the office, and they demanded to know why he
answered "yes" to that question.

"Because my great-grandpappy fought for the South in the War Between the
States."

The story goes that they subsequently inserted the word, "immediate" before
"family."

I got interviewed for a friend's clearance a couple of months back. They
asked me if I knew whether he had contacts in the news media.

"Yes," I said, "me!"

Ron wanttaja

Big John wrote

This doesn't make much sense with the filter deleted parts but don't
have to listen/read any filth and trashing by a nut case.


Big John

Yeah Big John,

Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but IMHO you're going to miss a
lot that way. Just my observation from lurking here since 95'

Just because you've got a civilian scientist behaving badly is no
reason to seal-off the base and issue the "go-code." (Dr.
StrangeWater for example) You can still protect your "bodily fluids"
without going critical.

Ever listen to gangster wrap?... the crap has taken over the world.
Every other word is profane. They blast that crap everywhere but
Singapore and Mainland China. It's a different world now for you and
me and we're just going to have to adapt.

Just don't agitate Dr. StrangeWater, and you two might become friends
in about 200 years. Sorry if some of this cracks me up, but I've been
watching a lot of Peter Sellers movies lately.

Cheers,

pacplyer
ex MAC mo-fo
(supplemental)

(Mike Gaspard) wrote in message . com...

Would you gents mind changing the Subject: line? Evidently
the target couldn't care less, but I find it somewhat unbecoming
to propegate ill natured personal attacks on a veteran of our armed
forces. Especially foul-mouthed attacks which complain of
behavior the attacker has previously indulged in himself
(threatening to get someone fired on the basis of newsgroup
posts, which of course is not what happened here just what's
being complained of as best I can tell. FWIW)

I knew a guy when I was in the Air Force that got his clearance
yanked. Some O.S.I. agents were doing a routine (supposedly) security
check on the Data Processing Center where he worked, and asked if he
knew of any weaknesses in the system. So he says, "Oh sure, I could
trash this thing so bad you wouldn't believe it".

Boom. Goodbye clearance.

Well, there may be more basis to it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

In one of Feynman's books he describes how he identified a security
breach, where he could obtain the last number of the secure file
drawer combinations if the drawer was left open. He reported it
along with suggestions to fix the problem. The result was a memo
to everyone that they had to write a report and change their
combination if Feynman entered their office. Yeah, that fixed
the problem.

Cheers,
Sydney

Sydney

In the Nuc business there are very strict codes that have to be
followed both in the office AND OUT. Any deviation from what is
considered normal is subject to close scrutiny and if true out you go.
Safety is paramount and crazy behavior is a key item that will get you
booted.

It's even stricter than the PC 'race card' that we see exploited so
often now days.

Some of the rants I've seen here, if the individual is still active in
the Nuc business, would get him thrown out.

With Home Land Security added on, things are getting tighter than a
drum head.

Nuff said.


Big John

Things that may be written about me, don't worry Sydney.

1. Have a lot filtered now and can filter more.
2. Have broad shoulders and can carry the weight of the world on them
(like I have in the past).


On 7 Aug 2003 20:25:14 -0700, (Snowbird)
wrote:

(Mike Gaspard) wrote in message . com...

Would you gents mind changing the Subject: line? Evidently
the target couldn't care less, but I find it somewhat unbecoming
to propegate ill natured personal attacks on a veteran of our armed
forces. Especially foul-mouthed attacks which complain of
behavior the attacker has previously indulged in himself
(threatening to get someone fired on the basis of newsgroup
posts, which of course is not what happened here just what's
being complained of as best I can tell. FWIW)

I knew a guy when I was in the Air Force that got his clearance
yanked. Some O.S.I. agents were doing a routine (supposedly) security
check on the Data Processing Center where he worked, and asked if he
knew of any weaknesses in the system. So he says, "Oh sure, I could
trash this thing so bad you wouldn't believe it".

Boom. Goodbye clearance.

Well, there may be more basis to it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

In one of Feynman's books he describes how he identified a security
breach, where he could obtain the last number of the secure file
drawer combinations if the drawer was left open. He reported it
along with suggestions to fix the problem. The result was a memo
to everyone that they had to write a report and change their
combination if Feynman entered their office. Yeah, that fixed
the problem.

Cheers,
Sydney

On 7 Aug 2003 20:25:14 -0700, (Snowbird) wrote:


Would you gents mind changing the Subject: line?

While I agree with you (and usually change the subject line myself), lately
we've been getting a batch of folks who complain when you do that....

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:45:28 -0500, Big John wrote:

]In the Nuc business there are very strict codes that have to be
]followed both in the office AND OUT. Any deviation from what is
]considered normal is subject to close scrutiny and if true out you go.
]Safety is paramount and crazy behavior is a key item that will get you
]booted.

Wasn't just nuke programs...had the same sort of thing ('Human Reliability
Program') while I was in ADCOM. Monitor your co-worker, report if he or
she starts acting funny, has marital problems, shows unexplained wealth,
etc. Oddly enough, the fact that a batch of us lieutenants all owned
fairly late model sports cars (Corvettes, Porsches, Trans-Ams, etc.) seemed
to be considered normal. :-)

I always think of the Alistair MacLean quote: "There are prisons in
America and cushy hotels in Moscow filled with people who had top security
clearances...." At some point, you just have to trust people.

In all honesty, I *really* pity the poor security folks nowadays. Thirty
years ago, they had to worry that someone would contact the Russians and
obtain a tiny camera which would allow them to shoot five or six grainy,
poorly-exposed photos of classified documents. Nowadays, you can go online
and buy a watch with a built-in USB storage system (including the
connecting cable, which tucks into the band) and walk home with hundreds of
classified documents invisibly strapped onto your wrist.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/5eec/

Twenty years ago, we couldn't bring calculators with memories into the work
areas (I once had a security officer pick up a calculator I was using and
ask, "Is that a classified number?"). Today, most engineering and
management types are wedded to their PDAs, and the security guys either
have to allow them in or cripple the true work.

No. I wouldn't want to be a security officer.

Ron Wanttaja

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message
...
SNIP
In all honesty, I *really* pity the poor security folks nowadays. Thirty
years ago, they had to worry that someone would contact the Russians and
obtain a tiny camera which would allow them to shoot five or six grainy,
poorly-exposed photos of classified documents. Nowadays, you can go
online
and buy a watch with a built-in USB storage system (including the
connecting cable, which tucks into the band) and walk home with hundreds
of
classified documents invisibly strapped onto your wrist.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/5eec/

Twenty years ago, we couldn't bring calculators with memories into the
work
areas (I once had a security officer pick up a calculator I was using and
ask, "Is that a classified number?"). Today, most engineering and
management types are wedded to their PDAs, and the security guys either
have to allow them in or cripple the true work.

Security level must have been low if PDAs were allowed in/out without
checking/vetting several steps along the way. PDAs still had to be cleared,
initially, where I worked two years ago and they were checked going in and
out of the secured facility. One chap made the mistake of replacing his PDA
with a newer model and was more than a bit perturbed as they proceeded to
dismantle it in front of him - basically destroyed the unit. I guess that
was part of the intent. :-)

There is security, and then there is real security. :-)

Michael Pilla

Ron Wanttaja wrote in message . ..
On 7 Aug 2003 20:25:14 -0700, (Snowbird) wrote:
Would you gents mind changing the Subject: line?

While I agree with you (and usually change the subject line myself), lately
we've been getting a batch of folks who complain when you do that....

There's a Far Side cartoon which features a man standing in front
of two doors labeled "damned if you do" and "damned if you don't",
with a devil poking him with a pitchfork and saying "c'mon, c'mon...
you've got to choose, it's either one or the other"

No. I wouldn't want to be a security officer.

Concur. There's also that fact that whatever screening criteria
are being used, they've spectacularly failed to catch several
very damaging "moles"

Cheers
Sydney

"It's light blue."
"No, it's light gray."
"What?!? It's white!"
"No way stupid, it's light blue!"
"Light gray!"
"White, moron! White, white, WHITE!"

So there may have been more to his clearance revocation than just the
one statement:-)


Mike


There probably was, but there needn't have been. I've had people
under me I had to go to battle for over ridiculous things similar to
this. Once the security root-worms get you in their sights, you
become interesting to them. They then start digging. All of what
they can dig up can be circumstantial, doesn't matter. If they can
simply tell a reasonably convincing story that your "Character" might
not be good, you lose the clearance.

Yes, it can be based upon their perception of your "Character" and
that alone. I've seen it happen. I think the FAA has acted about as
poorly in some cases since a certificate is not a right, it's a
privilege.

Dr. Strangewater