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MDW Overrun - SWA
The fact that this is the airline's first fatal crash in nearly 35
years of operation speaks volumes about its safety culture. I'd put its record up against any airline's. |
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Ron Lee wrote:
Rachel wrote: Jim Macklin wrote: snip I would like to know why the PIC did not divert to O'Hare or some other airport. Well, my personal theory on not diverting is that no Southwest captain would be caught dead landing at ORD. So he kills someone at Midway instead? Poor judgement. Ron Lee Wouldn't be the first time a pilot killed someone because of poor judgement. |
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Flight plan priorities...
1. Get somewhere safely. 2. Get where you planned on going. 3. Get there when you planned to arrive. Airline priorities... 1. Get to the next scheduled departure on time. 2. Don't lose any bags. 3. Don't leave the gate late, because THAT is what the feds report for airline quality ratings. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "Ron Garret" wrote in message ... | In article , | Rachel wrote: | | Jim Macklin wrote: | snip | I would like to know why the PIC did not divert to O'Hare or | some other airport. | | Well, my personal theory on not diverting is that no Southwest captain | would be caught dead landing at ORD. | | Besides, it would spoil Southwest's fine tradition of studly landings on | short runways. http://avstop.com/news/swairlines.html | | rg |
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Rachel wrote:
Well, my personal theory on not diverting is that no Southwest captain would be caught dead landing at ORD. So he kills someone at Midway instead? Poor judgement. Ron Lee Wouldn't be the first time a pilot killed someone because of poor judgement. Was it American at Little Rock not long ago? Several on the plane..possibly the pilot as well, died. Ron Lee |
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Ron Lee wrote:
Rachel wrote: Well, my personal theory on not diverting is that no Southwest captain would be caught dead landing at ORD. So he kills someone at Midway instead? Poor judgement. Ron Lee Wouldn't be the first time a pilot killed someone because of poor judgement. Was it American at Little Rock not long ago? Several on the plane..possibly the pilot as well, died. Ron Lee First officer survived, captain was killed. I went to school with his daughter...it certainly ends the blame game when you know the people involved. But let's be honest...there's so much poor judgement and poor decision making out there, and it's not confined to aviation. And hindsight is 20/20, you know? Only thing we can do is to try to learn from the mistakes others make. |
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Agreed, but it was a stupid thing to do, MDW is marginal on
good VFR days. IFR caused by low ceilings and visibilities are not really a problem either, you either see and land on a dry or wet runway or make a missed approach. But snow and icy runways have poor braking, runway light obscured, white-out conditions with attendant landing problems. Airline pilots are well trained and regimented. This can be good or bad. When "company pressure" makes non-operational needs, such as the companies bottom line or on-time record, more important issues can take a backseat. PIC means that you take the heat, if necessary, from passengers, chief pilot and upper management when you spend a few hundred or thousands of dollars diverting. A good chief pilot will support a well reasoned decision to divert. There should be a pat on the back for a good safe diversion, but often it is "chicken, we got in OK, why did everybody else except you land." [The fact is that is rarely true, lots of pilots divert or delay, but since they didn't crash, who knows.] -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "beavis" wrote in message ... | The fact that this is the airline's first fatal crash in nearly 35 | years of operation speaks volumes about its safety culture. I'd put | its record up against any airline's. |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:vVpmf.17957$QW2.13192@dukeread08... Agreed, but it was a stupid thing to do, MDW is marginal on good VFR days. IFR caused by low ceilings and visibilities are not really a problem either, you either see and land on a dry or wet runway or make a missed approach. But snow and icy runways have poor braking, runway light obscured, white-out conditions with attendant landing problems. Airline pilots are well trained and regimented. This can be good or bad. When "company pressure" makes non-operational needs, such as the companies bottom line or on-time record, more important issues can take a backseat. PIC means that you take the heat, if necessary, from passengers, chief pilot and upper management when you spend a few hundred or thousands of dollars diverting. A good chief pilot will support a well reasoned decision to divert. There should be a pat on the back for a good safe diversion, but often it is "chicken, we got in OK, why did everybody else except you land." [The fact is that is rarely true, lots of pilots divert or delay, but since they didn't crash, who knows.] You need to call the NTSB. They say it could take them a year to determine the cause of the accident. You seem to have figured it out without having been there. I am sure they will appreciate the help. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "beavis" wrote in message ... | The fact that this is the airline's first fatal crash in nearly 35 | years of operation speaks volumes about its safety culture. I'd put | its record up against any airline's. |
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MDW Overrun - SWA
We don't know that SWA was at fault. Let's wait for the investigation
to be completed before we assign blame. |
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MDW Overrun - SWA
We don't know that SWA was at fault. Let's wait for the investigation
to be completed before we assign blame. |
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MDW Overrun - SWA
We don't know that SWA was at fault. Let's wait for the investigation
to be completed before we assign blame. |
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