Bomber-jacket leather and our law

I just skimmed the article, but I don't recall it mentioning the air force
(the original spec USAF jacket was horsehide IIRC). OTOH the Navy (remember
those guys that fly off boats?) G-2 is goatskin.

R / John

Subject: Bomber-jacket leather and our law
From: Cub Driver
Date: 9/13/03 3:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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allow Pakistan to provide the goatskin leather used in the distinctive
U.S.
aviator bomber jackets. The Defense Department has notified a U.S.
leather
tanner that it will waive provisions of the law known as the Berry
Amendment
that requires the Pentagon to buy key components from U.S. manufacturers.
In
April, the Pentagon announced it would buy 12,000 to 30,000 of the brown,
fur-collared bomber jackets over the next several years.

I'm around the USAF a lot and I don't remember any such item as a brown
fur-collared bomber jacket as current issue. A-2 aircrew jacket maybe but
I
think someone is describing a WWII item.

Tex




If you go to my website and click on "After Koblenz" I am wearing a fur
collared flight jacket, but I don't recall the
designation. It sure wasn't an A-2. The shot was made in 1944 at Florennes
Belgium after the Koblenz mission.

.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
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I don't understand how the Pentagon can revoke a law. I thought only congresss
could do that.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

In article ,
Aerophotos wrote:

sound like US Navy G- jackets

how ironic

flying over arab land wearing arab clothing

Pakistanis are not arabs, nor is Arabic their language.


--Mike



Buy Pakistani?
The Pentagon is about to waive "buy American" provisions of U.S. law
and
allow Pakistan to provide the goatskin leather used in the distinctive
U.S.
aviator bomber jackets. The Defense Department has notified a U.S. leather
tanner that it will waive provisions of the law known as the Berry
Amendment
that requires the Pentagon to buy key components from U.S. manufacturers.
In
April, the Pentagon announced it would buy 12,000 to 30,000 of the brown,
fur-collared bomber jackets over the next several years.

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
sound like US Navy G- jackets

how ironic

flying over arab land wearing arab clothing

Pity you're an idiot. Pakistanis aren't Arabs.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 06:05:53 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote:

Do you like George Bush in that photo? That would decide the matter
one way or another

Excuse me, Art! I wasn't inquiring about your political preferences. I
mean to ask: do you *look* like Geo Bush in that photo!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Subject: Bomber-jacket leather and our law
From: Cub Driver
Date: 9/14/03 2:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 06:05:53 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote:

Do you like George Bush in that photo? That would decide the matter
one way or another

Excuse me, Art! I wasn't inquiring about your political preferences. I
mean to ask: do you *look* like Geo Bush in that photo!

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com


Naaaah. We never flew in all that fancy stuff.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 14 Sep 2003 11:32:04 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Naaaah. We never flew in all that fancy stuff.

Pity. You might have had a great career in politics.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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Subject: Bomber-jacket leather and our law
From: Cub Driver
Date: 9/15/03 2:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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On 14 Sep 2003 11:32:04 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Naaaah. We never flew in all that fancy stuff.

Pity. You might have had a great career in politics.


Guess I was lucky after all.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote in message ...
Subject: Bomber-jacket leather and our law
From: "Tex Houston" 777
Date: 9/12/03 6:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Mike Yared" wrote in message
...
from http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm
Buy Pakistani?
The Pentagon is about to waive "buy American" provisions of U.S. law
and
allow Pakistan to provide the goatskin leather used in the distinctive
U.S.
aviator bomber jackets. The Defense Department has notified a U.S. leather
tanner that it will waive provisions of the law known as the Berry
Amendment
that requires the Pentagon to buy key components from U.S. manufacturers.
In
April, the Pentagon announced it would buy 12,000 to 30,000 of the brown,
fur-collared bomber jackets over the next several years.

No reason US tanneries can't meet that small demand spread over
several years. Jeez, more leather jackets than that where made in a
month during WWII.

I'm around the USAF a lot and I don't remember any such item as a brown
fur-collared bomber jacket as current issue. A-2 aircrew jacket maybe but I
think someone is describing a WWII item.

They are describing the USN G-1 (I'm wearing one today), but the spec
for that jacket was changed from goat to cow back in '69 or '70. G-1s
are still made of goat for the public, but I thought all the jackets
produced for the Navy were cow. Maybe some are goat...

The USAF uses goat for their current A-2, and recently made changes to
the jacket pattern to make it easier to procure quality goatskin for
the jackets.

As for using US or foreign leather, who cares? The US shouldn't even
be producing either jacket. Both the A-2 and G-1 are useless in the
cockpit of modern AC. I don't buy the story that there is a shortage
of goatskin in the US though.

If you go to my website and click on "After Koblenz" I am wearing a fur
collared flight jacket, but I don't recall the designation. It sure wasn't an A-2. The shot was made in 1944 at Florennes Belgium after the Koblenz mission.

You're wearing a B-10, probably my favorite flight jacket.
Standardized in July '43, arrived in the ETO in March '44 and were
used through the end of the war. No leather in it though... cotton
shell with an alpaca lining. Much warmer than an A-2 (or a B-3 if you
wear an F-3 suit under B-10) and much easier to mass produce.

~Michael

Subject: Bomber-jacket leather and our law
From: (Michael)
Date: 9/15/03 9:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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(ArtKramr) wrote in message
...
Subject: Bomber-jacket leather and our law
From: "Tex Houston" 777
Date: 9/12/03 6:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Mike Yared" wrote in message
...



I'm around the USAF a lot and I don't remember any such item as a brown
fur-collared bomber jacket as current issue. A-2 aircrew jacket maybe but



If you go to my website and click on "After Koblenz" I am wearing a fur
collared flight jacket, but I don't recall the designation. It sure wasn't
an A-2. The shot was made in 1944 at Florennes Belgium after the Koblenz
mission.

You're wearing a B-10, probably my favorite flight jacket.
Standardized in July '43, arrived in the ETO in March '44 and were
used through the end of the war. No leather in it though... cotton
shell with an alpaca lining. Much warmer than an A-2 (or a B-3 if you
wear an F-3 suit under B-10) and much easier to mass produce.

~Michael


Yeah it was a nice warm jacket. Not as jazzy as my A-2 but a hell of a lot
warmer. And now that you mention B-10 it rings a bell. Thanks.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer