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Mxsmanic wrote in
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And so on. In summary, if no document exists that says you must have an
operative GPS with a current database to fly, and you are not relying on
the GPS as your sole means of navigation, you can fly with a non-current
database. Nevertheless, if you have an accident because you used expired
data from the database, you can still get in trouble, because either (1)
it was in fact your sole means of navigation, in which case you were
negligent in not keeping it current; or (2) it was not your only means
of navigation but you failed to cross-check it against other sources
that were current, which is also negligent on your part.

Exactly.

So therefore, as I stated at the beginning of this painful thread, if one
does not want to pay $760 to update his GPS database, he certainly DOES have
a choice. Several choices in fact.

Judah writes:

So therefore, as I stated at the beginning of this painful thread, if one
does not want to pay $760 to update his GPS database, he certainly DOES have
a choice. Several choices in fact.

Not if he wants an up-to-date database. There's only one supplier, so it's
that supplier or nothing at all.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Not if he wants an up-to-date database. There's only one supplier, so
it's that supplier or nothing at all.

If you change the question every time you get an answer, you will never get a
satisfactory answer to your question.

"Judah" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Not if he wants an up-to-date database. There's only one supplier, so
it's that supplier or nothing at all.

If you change the question every time you get an answer, you will never
get a
satisfactory answer to your question.

Give it up Judah, you have done a good job of making your point to everyone
except MX, and he either ODed on his meds today or has to be just trolling
as usual.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Judah writes:

So therefore, as I stated at the beginning of this painful thread, if one
does not want to pay $760 to update his GPS database, he certainly DOES have
a choice. Several choices in fact.

Not if he wants an up-to-date database. There's only one supplier, so it's
that supplier or nothing at all

There is only once supplier for the GPS as well. Everybody who buys
an IFR GPS knows what the story on updates is. Do you think it would
be any better if you HAD to buy your updates from Garmin?
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Ron Natalie writes:

There is only once supplier for the GPS as well. Everybody who buys
an IFR GPS knows what the story on updates is. Do you think it would
be any better if you HAD to buy your updates from Garmin?

Do different manufacturers of GPS units have different suppliers for the
databases, or do all the databases come from Jeppesen?

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"Maxwell" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
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If you change the question every time you get an answer, you will never
get a satisfactory answer to your question.

Give it up Judah, you have done a good job of making your point to
everyone except MX, and he either ODed on his meds today or has to be
just trolling as usual.

Have I? I didn't think I made my point until that very last post.

Maxwell,

But then again, if it's that easy, and we all know you are so damned smart -
spend a little less time guiding tourists and flying your sim, and start
your on service. Surely with even 85% profits, you could live, eat and still
get your PPL in France. We'll be watching for it.


All talk, no action - that's MX. He knows everything better, but he can't make
a dime on it. And it's never his fault. AND he prides himself on being a
logical thinker. Yeah, right.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic,

You don't even understand your operating system do you?

I used to write operating systems.


Those two statements work together real well, don't you think?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Ron Natalie writes:

91.9 says I must operate in compliance with the operating limitations
for my aircraft. The Flight Manual supplement for the IFR GPS is
such a limitation.

Section 91.9 requires that you respect limitations in the flight
manual. But if no limitation is in that manual, 91.9 does not apply.
You're essentially saying "it's not allowed if it's not allowed," but
if it's not disallowed, that statement is moot.

That's one reason I like my GX60 IFR GPS (originally made by Apollo,
which was bought by UPS, and now owned by Garmin). It has no
restriction in the supplement against flying with an out-of-date
database. [It DOES require that the pilot verify that any approach to
be flown is still current.]

The straight Garmin IFR GPS manuals (if I recall correctly) *require* a
current database to be used in approach mode. I think the King manuals
do also.



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