the DC-3

Kevin Clarke wrote:
Not the plane, the airports.

The Washington DC area airports KCGS, KVKX and W32 operate with
additional security requirements as specified under SFAR 94. I was going
through those requirements to understand what I have to do to land at
CGS. I'm not really asking about that, I'll go through that journey and
report back. It looks to be a real pain and seems to be another
manifestation of pointless bureaucracy from the Department of Homemade
Security.

The real point of this post is how silly the additional security
procedures are and how they are left in place to provide the appearance
of additional security without actually delivering on that promise. I
just drove my daughter down to school. She starts college in DC next
week, a sure sign of my aging. Beyond the emotional trauma of that life
milestone, I had to wonder what that flight would be like. So I did my
flight planning only to come across this SFAR 94 restriction. I'd much
rather fly the 320 or so miles than transit the NJ Turnpike ever again.

But this time I had to drive. After going through the area on route 95
just past College Park you really get an appreciation for how pointless
it is to single out light aircraft in these restrictions. Nothing big is
getting in or out of CGS, it is only 2600' of runway. So this SFAR is
really directed at the small, light aircraft flown by the GA community.
As I was driving along on the bottom of the ADIZ I couldn't help to
think how silly it is, as giant semis hauling heaven knows what whizzed
along without restriction hurtling within miles of downtown DC. It is
all so silly.

KC
The hoops you have to jump thru to get "vetted" for CGS and the others
are stupid, but not impossible. I did it in a day, first going to IAD
for a "records check" by the FSDO, then to DCA for fingerprinting, then
to CGS to view a ridiculous video that teaches nothing. Any way a week
later I got my PIN number and can go anytime now, although I haven't yet.

("Jay Beckman" wrote)
Sedona gets an extra vote simply because the scenery around it is worth
seeing from the air as well.

http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55296514
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55301883
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55301237

Three views of Sedona from the air...


http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55302088
Blue dots?

I like this one:

http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/71684986
"Taking Off From Sedona"


Paul-Mont

On Aug 20, 10:20 am, "Montblack" Y4_NOT!...
wrote:
("Jay Beckman" wrote)

Sedona gets an extra vote simply because the scenery around it is worth
seeing from the air as well.

http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55296514
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55301883
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55301237

Three views of Sedona from the air...

http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55302088
Blue dots?

I like this one:

http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/71684986
"Taking Off From Sedona"

Paul-Mont

I think the dots are simply meant as painted "grass"...designates the
corners of the ramp area.

They have similar (but much larger) areas between taxiways at Sky
Harbor in Phoenix. Much cheaper than trying to grow the real thing
out here in the desert.

Jay B

On Aug 19, 6:05 pm, Kevin Clarke wrote:
Not the plane, the airports.

The Washington DC area airports KCGS, KVKX and W32 operate with
additional security requirements as specified under SFAR 94. I was going
through those requirements to understand what I have to do to land at
CGS. I'm not really asking about that, I'll go through that journey and
report back. It looks to be a real pain and seems to be another
manifestation of pointless bureaucracy from the Department of Homemade
Security.

The real point of this post is how silly the additional security
procedures are and how they are left in place to provide the appearance
of additional security without actually delivering on that promise. I
just drove my daughter down to school. She starts college in DC next
week, a sure sign of my aging. Beyond the emotional trauma of that life
milestone, I had to wonder what that flight would be like. So I did my
flight planning only to come across this SFAR 94 restriction. I'd much
rather fly the 320 or so miles than transit the NJ Turnpike ever again.

But this time I had to drive. After going through the area on route 95
just past College Park you really get an appreciation for how pointless
it is to single out light aircraft in these restrictions. Nothing big is
getting in or out of CGS, it is only 2600' of runway. So this SFAR is
really directed at the small, light aircraft flown by the GA community.
As I was driving along on the bottom of the ADIZ I couldn't help to
think how silly it is, as giant semis hauling heaven knows what whizzed
along without restriction hurtling within miles of downtown DC. It is
all so silly.

KC

Boy I sure am glad I live out west instead of in Vichy America (DC
area)...

Dean

Friedrich Ostertag wrote:
Kevin Clarke wrote:

I was not a pilot on 9/11/01 so I wasn't in the community when this
stupidity went into effect. Why aren't people screaming about this?
..

aviation content: I will be travelling through Nevada/Arizona/Utah in
September (by Car/Campervan), and would like to do a sightseeing flight or
two over the spectacular scenery there (as a passenger). I guess there must
be quite a few businesses offering such flights. I know there is a number of
companies offering flights over Grand Canyon. Would anyone recommend a
particular business, that does such flights? Any particular flight? What
should I look for? What should I avoid?

regards,
Friedrich


I did this a number of years ago. They all looked about the same to me.
When I bought my ride I mentioned I was a pilot and would like the
right seat if W&B allowed. I was given the right seat and it was great.
The pilot was the only other person on the flight who spoke english so
there wasn't much chit-chat (at least not any I could understand).

Margy

Jay Beckman wrote:
If you are going to be in either Sedona, AZ or anywhere near Las
Vegas, NV you can book scenic flights to the GC from either town.

Sedona gets an extra vote simply because the scenery around it is
worth seeing from the air as well.

http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55296514
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55301883
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/55301237

Three views of Sedona from the air...

Hope you enjoy your visit!

awesome pictures! Probably our trip won't take us as fas south as sedona,
but I will keep it in mind. I intend to spend some time around Escalante and
Capitol Reef NP and also Canyonlands NP.

thanks,
Friedrich