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Wedding Party Massacre? Doubtful.....
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(Dav1936531) wrote in message ...
http://tinyurl.com/2qklu Dave If you go to: http://belmontclub.blogspot.com You can find more on the "wedding party" attack. Also, if you scroll down to the May 17, 2004 section, you'll find an article on the use of media coverage as a weapon in the Vietnam War, and in present-day Iraq. Interesting stuff. Perhaps the effect of media coverage (whether it's accurate or not) on military operations is the *true* "Revolution in Military Affairs". |
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"Eric Moore" wrote in message m... (Dav1936531) wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/2qklu Dave Interesting stuff. Perhaps the effect of media coverage (whether it's accurate or not) on military operations is the *true* "Revolution in Military Affairs". Hardly, it was a major factor in the Crimean and Boer Wars Keith |
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Scott MacEachern wrote in
: On 22 May 2004 22:59:32 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2qklu Dave "Kimmitt said troops did not find anything -- such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food -- that would indicate a wedding had been held." Funny. I wonder what those ripped-up speakers and the microphone stands (not musical instruments, I guess...) in the NYT pictures from the site were doing there, then? Note as well that Kimmitt is now admitting that (a) there were women killed there and (b) there may have been some sort of celebration going on. And, shamelessly quoting from another post of mine... Having spent some time working in border areas in Central/West Africa -- Nigeria-Cameroon-Niger and latterly Cameroon-Chad-CAR -- there are smugglers all over the place, and they haul all kinds of good with them. Finding large amounts of clothing, bedding and so on wouldn't be surprising at all in such cases -- think of it as capitalism at work. I'd be very surprised if that wasn't how most of the consumer goods in Baghdad made their way there. Scott http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html an excerpt; What was found, he said, indicated the building was used as a way station for foreign fighters crossing into Iraq from Syria to battle the coalition. "The building seemed to be somewhat of a dormitory," Kimmitt said. "You had over 300 sets of bedding gear in it. You had a tremendous number of pre-packaged clothing -- apparently about a hundred sets of pre-packaged clothing. "[It is] expected that when foreign fighters come in from other countries, they come to this location, they change their clothes into typical Iraqi clothing sets." At Saturday's briefing for reporters in Baghdad, Kimmitt showed photos of what he said were binoculars designed for adjusting artillery fire, battery packs suitable for makeshift bombs, several terrorist training manuals, medical gear,fake ID cards and ID card-making machines, passports and telephone numbers to other countries, including Afghanistan and Sudan. None of the men killed in the raid carried ID cards or wallets, he said. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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Scott MacEachern wrote in message . ..
On 22 May 2004 22:59:32 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2qklu Dave "Kimmitt said troops did not find anything -- such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food -- that would indicate a wedding had been held." They didn't find any weapons outside of what one would expect a group of villagers to possess. They put on show a paltry amount that would not impress Charlton Heston to the extent it was more than he had in his cupboards. Funny. I wonder what those ripped-up speakers and the microphone stands (not musical instruments, I guess...) in the NYT pictures from the site were doing there, then? Note as well that Kimmitt is now admitting that (a) there were women killed there and (b) there may have been some sort of celebration going on. And, shamelessly quoting from another post of mine... It was probably a pre-something celebration which poorly armed drug dealing Syrian terrorists by tradition get involved with in the middle of nowhere. I suppose it is an explanation and we should be grateful for whatever the US military feel able to offer. Usually they offer no explanation and get troublesome journalists black-listed. there might be acfew holes in their story, but they had a story and it is indeed remarkable that they shared it with us. Having spent some time working in border areas in Central/West Africa -- Nigeria-Cameroon-Niger and latterly Cameroon-Chad-CAR -- there are smugglers all over the place, and they haul all kinds of good with them. Finding large amounts of clothing, bedding and so on wouldn't be surprising at all in such cases -- think of it as capitalism at work. I'd be very surprised if that wasn't how most of the consumer goods in Baghdad made their way there. Scott |
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Mike Baudrillard wrote:
Scott MacEachern wrote in message . .. On 22 May 2004 22:59:32 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2qklu Dave "Kimmitt said troops did not find anything -- such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food -- that would indicate a wedding had been held." They didn't find any weapons outside of what one would expect a group of villagers to possess. They put on show a paltry amount that would not impress Charlton Heston to the extent it was more than he had in his cupboards. Funny. I wonder what those ripped-up speakers and the microphone stands (not musical instruments, I guess...) in the NYT pictures from the site were doing there, then? Note as well that Kimmitt is now admitting that (a) there were women killed there and (b) there may have been some sort of celebration going on. And, shamelessly quoting from another post of mine... It was probably a pre-something celebration which poorly armed drug dealing Syrian terrorists by tradition get involved with in the middle of nowhere. I suppose it is an explanation and we should be grateful for whatever the US military feel able to offer. Usually they offer no explanation and get troublesome journalists black-listed. there might be acfew holes in their story, but they had a story and it is indeed remarkable that they shared it with us. Having spent some time working in border areas in Central/West Africa -- Nigeria-Cameroon-Niger and latterly Cameroon-Chad-CAR -- there are smugglers all over the place, and they haul all kinds of good with them. Finding large amounts of clothing, bedding and so on wouldn't be surprising at all in such cases -- think of it as capitalism at work. I'd be very surprised if that wasn't how most of the consumer goods in Baghdad made their way there. Scott Just why are we giving ANY creedence to criticism from an "alleged" FRENCH person? |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 04:30:21 GMT, Paul Elliot
wrote: Just why are we giving ANY creedence to criticism from an "alleged" FRENCH person? Who, me? I'm Canadian, and I've worked in different parts of Africa -- but mostly in the area I mentioned -- through the last 20 years. Scott |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:32:42 -0400, Scott MacEachern wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2004 04:30:21 GMT, Paul Elliot wrote: Just why are we giving ANY creedence to criticism from an "alleged" FRENCH person? Who, me? I'm Canadian, and I've worked in different parts of Africa -- but mostly in the area I mentioned -- through the last 20 years. Scott You are an ass regardless of your nationality. You consistently take "news reports" as gospel, regardless of the facts of a situation. Being an apologist for Saddam and Al-Q is not the road to credibility. Al Minyard |
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"Scott MacEachern" wrote in message ... On 22 May 2004 22:59:32 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2qklu Dave "Kimmitt said troops did not find anything -- such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food -- that would indicate a wedding had been held." Funny. I wonder what those ripped-up speakers and the microphone stands (not musical instruments, I guess...) in the NYT pictures from the site were doing there, then? Never heard of terrorists using such equipment, eh? Note as well that Kimmitt is now admitting that (a) there were women killed there and (b) there may have been some sort of celebration going on. And, shamelessly quoting from another post of mine... Not quite. What Kimmet really has said is: "To the allegation that there was a wedding going on, there was no evidence of a wedding," Kimmitt reiterated. "There were no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration and no gifts. "The men were almost all military-aged, no family elders that one would expect to see at an event of this type," he said. To help substantiate his comments, the general showed reporters slides of items found at the site, which included a significant number of weapons, battery packs used to power improvised explosive devices and a host of other non-wedding-related items. "There were also a number of terrorist training manuals (and) suspected forged Iraqi IDs," he said. Kimmitt said there may have been some kind of celebration going on at the said, but not a wedding. "Bad people have celebrations too," he noted. "Bad people have parties too. It may have been that what was seen as some sort of celebration may have just been a meeting in the middle of the desert by some people that were conducting either criminal or terrorist activities. That's the conclusion we're continuing to draw the more we look at the material, intelligence, post-strike, and follow-up intelligence." end excerpt Looks like BG Kimmet has drawn very different conclusions from what you have, Scott. And if you are going to quote the guy, at least do so by paraphrasing his entire statement. Which brings into question that oh-so-heart-wrenching previous post of yours claiming we were butchering kids in this raid--as Kimmet noted: ""But there are still not reports of any children being killed." Kimmitt said a videotape distributed to the media showing at least a dozen bodies, including small children, wrapped in blankets for burial, being unloaded from a truck doesn't look like the video taken at the site of the attack. "None of the geography in those videos match the geography of this open area," he noted. "But there are still some inconsistencies. We still remain opened-minded about this. We'll continue to look into everything that's provided to us in the way of evidence." " http://www.dod.mil/news/May2004/n052...200405221.html Having spent some time working in border areas in Central/West Africa -- Nigeria-Cameroon-Niger and latterly Cameroon-Chad-CAR -- there are smugglers all over the place, and they haul all kinds of good with them. Finding large amounts of clothing, bedding and so on wouldn't be surprising at all in such cases -- think of it as capitalism at work. I'd be very surprised if that wasn't how most of the consumer goods in Baghdad made their way there. And all of those smugglers have terrorist training manuals in their possession...yeah, riiiight. Brooks Scott |
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