Where is the IAF for LOC BC RWY 03R at LUK?

"Sandy Mustard" wrote in message
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True, but Cincy approach may not let you into their class B airpspace
without their radar working.


Why not?



Shila could have been the IAF, no reason FLM needs to be it.


How could SHILA be an IAF? How can the FLM 338R be a procedure track id FLM
is not an IAF?



The Jepp charts for all LUK approaches show no difference in the line
thicknesses so I guess everyone charted it wrong.


Why is that necessarily so?

"Newps" wrote in message
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No radar, no class B, they would revert to a class D facility.


The status of the radar does not affect the Class of airspace.

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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Interesting! Where is the provision for this in the regs? I know
that some class C's revert to class E at night, but there's some
escape clause in the FAAO that creates the airspace, saying something
to the effect that NOTAM's can change the airspace.


There's no provision in the regs for it because it ain't so. FAAO 7110.65
requires the suspension of Class C services when a radar outage occurs, but
the class of airspace does not change. With regard to Class B airspace,
FAAO 7110.65 states; "Separation and sequencing for VFR aircraft is
dependent upon radar. Efforts should be made to segregate VFR traffic from
IFR traffic flows when a radar outage occurs."

"Newps" wrote in message
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"Sandy Mustard" wrote in message
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True, but Cincy approach may not let you into their class B airpspace
without their radar working.

No radar, no class B, they would revert to a class D facility.




There is no provision in FAR 71 for revision of Class B airspace to Class D
in the event of a radar outage. The definition of the CVG Class B airspace
in FAAO 7400.9 makes no reference to reversion to any other class under any
event. The Class B airspace remains Class B under conditions of radar
outage.

Stan

Newps wrote:

"Sandy Mustard" wrote in message
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True, but Cincy approach may not let you into their class B airpspace
without their radar working.

No radar, no class B, they would revert to a class D facility.

And, come to a screeching halt. ;-)

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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No radar, no class B, they would revert to a class D facility.

Interesting! Where is the provision for this in the regs? I know
that some class C's revert to class E at night, but there's some
escape clause in the FAAO that creates the airspace, saying something
to the effect that NOTAM's can change the airspace.

If for some reason they lose all radar, which won't ever happen, but let's
say it does. The TRACON becomes a nonradar approach control. That will
essentially bring things to a halt. Not totally but since class B's are
inhabited by aircraft that are required to be IFR those aircraft would have
huge delays. A national groundstop for that airport and most likely all
airports in the class B's airspace would be issued. The part 135 guys would
love it since most of them can go VFR, so their delays would be minor.
Class B service would no longer exist and a statement to that effect would
be put on the ATIS. Arrivals and departures would no longer be separated,
unless they were IFR. We go thru this at least twice a year when they turn
our radar off for routine maintenence. Lately we have done this for a few
hours at a time because we are getting a new radar installed and there are
certain things that can only be done with everything turned off. So we
become a class D for that period of time. I'm not sure if they issue a
notam or not for these 3-4 hour radar shutdowns. We just put the message on
the ATIS and go about our business, most pilots don't ever notice the
difference.

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Newps wrote:

"Sandy Mustard" wrote in message
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True, but Cincy approach may not let you into their class B airpspace
without their radar working.

No radar, no class B, they would revert to a class D facility.

And, come to a screeching halt. ;-)

Yes, because nobody practices nonradar and to do it for real would be a
total cluster. And that's with no traffic.

FAAO 7110.65 requires the suspension of Class C services when a
radar outage occurs, but the class of airspace does not change.

That's what I would have guessed.

Thanks.