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FS2004, have you "looped the 747"?
Reading. Microsoft mentions "looping the 747".
I have looped the LearJet in Flight Unlimited III but doubt I could ever loop a 747. Just curious. |
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I wrote:
I have looped the LearJet in Flight Unlimited III but doubt I could ever loop a 747. Sorry, I was thinking "roll" instead of loop. I guess that falls under similar enough subject matter. |
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You would probably have to put it into a shallow dive to build up some speed
and then just crank the yoke back and wait. JK "John Doe" wrote in message ... Reading. Microsoft mentions "looping the 747". I have looped the LearJet in Flight Unlimited III but doubt I could ever loop a 747. Just curious. |
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I think it is true to say that it is possible to 'roll' any aircraft.
Because if done properly, there should be no more than a very slight extra strain on the airframe. 'Looping' a 747 is another matter entirely! You have to pull a lot of G in a loop... I would, perhaps, be prepared to risk it in a Flight Simulator though, providing I had a stiff whisky and a sandwich by my side, and a couple of attractive (non PC) nurses to fan my brow afterwards :-) |
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"Quilljar" wrote in message
... I think it is true to say that it is possible to 'roll' any aircraft. Because if done properly, there should be no more than a very slight extra strain on the airframe. Depends on the kind of roll. But yes, it is theoretically possible to maintain low G forces throughout an entire roll. Witness the 707 prototype that was rolled over Lake Washington back in the 60's. Not all rolls have this characteristic though. Pete |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ... "Quilljar" wrote in message ... I think it is true to say that it is possible to 'roll' any aircraft. Because if done properly, there should be no more than a very slight extra strain on the airframe. Depends on the kind of roll. But yes, it is theoretically possible to maintain low G forces throughout an entire roll. Witness the 707 prototype that was rolled over Lake Washington back in the 60's. Not all rolls have this characteristic though. Pete Exactly. You're not going to aileron roll any large civil aircraft but barrel rolls...possibly. JB |
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Quilljar wrote:
I think it is true to say that it is possible to 'roll' any aircraft. Because if done properly, there should be no more than a very slight extra strain on the airframe. 'Looping' a 747 is another matter entirely! You have to pull a lot of G in a loop... I would, perhaps, be prepared to risk it in a Flight Simulator though, providing I had a stiff whisky and a sandwich by my side, and a couple of attractive (non PC) nurses to fan my brow afterwards :-) Actually, even a loop can be low G when executed correctly. I've met and spoke with on a number of occasions an ex-test pilot for the Boeing MD-NOTAR Helicopters. The test pilots would have informal contests with one another to see who could pull off the lowest G's while looping their helicopters. He could keep the max + G forces below 1.5, and supposably the other pilot could keep it below 1 G. The key is forward momentum combined with making the loop more oval then round. Keep your airspeed high (well above maneuvering speed), start a shallow climb and slowing increase the angle of climb until you reach the point at which you are nearly at the top of the loop. Since the airspeed is nearly at the stall speed now, you can pull back on the yoke more sharply with significantly increasing the G-load. Bring the bird over the top and then come out of the loop slow and gradual. As long as you keep + G-forces on an airplane, it doesn't know if it's upside down or right side up. Think about the G force a 747 has to endure when it hits severe turbulence at 450kts at 33,000. Those birds can handle a lot. A quick search on google found this dumbed down explanation of why it's probably not a good idea to roll or loop a 747: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_262.html Here's the great video of the 707 doing a roll as part of an impromptu promotional scheme: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...707%20Roll.mpg Now why not go try looping and rolling the 747 or 777 in FS2004? Can't hurt! Maybe start on the ground and then use the Map mode to give yourself a lot of altitude (but not too much because you want good air density) - Say, 18,000' and 300 kts. Best, Randy |
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Randy Wentzel wrote
snip A quick search on google found this dumbed down explanation of why it's probably not a good idea to roll or loop a 747: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_262.html Here's the great video of the 707 doing a roll as part of an impromptu promotional scheme: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...707%20Roll.mpg Thanks. I am enjoying most of them. Now why not go try looping and rolling the 747 or 777 in FS2004? Can't hurt! And please make a video of it. Maybe start on the ground and then use the Map mode to give yourself a lot of altitude (but not too much because you want good air density) - Say, 18,000' and 300 kts. Best, Randy |
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And please make a video of it.
OK! So I went ahead and looped the stock MS2004 747 above Travis AFB in California, which is about 50 miles east of where I live. The video is saved within FS2004, but I don't know how to pass it on. Do I need a third-party utility? Thanks, Randy |
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Randy Wentzel wrote
And please make a video of it. OK! So I went ahead and looped the stock MS2004 747 above Travis AFB in California, which is about 50 miles east of where I live. The video is saved within FS2004, but I don't know how to pass it on. Do I need a third-party utility? Apparently, recordings are saved as "FSR" files in your My Documents folder. There are a bunch of ways to offer it on the Internet. For example, you can post that binary file to (alt.binaries) on Usenet. Others might know better. |
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