If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
|
#32
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
"John Carrier" wrote in
: [snip] The F-8 really made you feel like god in the cockpit. But for the sweetness of the flying experience, an A-4F was my favorite ride. And it could confound many a "better" airplane in a fight. Maybe its just A4 driver attitude but I've met a number of A4 folk who claimed they'd take on anything you cared to throw at them in that airplane. IBM |
#33
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
wrote in message ups.com... John Weiss wrote: "John Carrier" wrote... Small was Oriskany, Hancock, and Lex and their sisters. Night traps on two of them. Indeed! The A-6 took up a LOT of space on Lady Lex! Gotta ask if anybody that reads this NG CQ'ed onboard Lex..I did, in 1973...still had a mirror... Or anybody serve onboard Lex, when she was still a CVA?? Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam, CVS-36. The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off San Clemente Island. |
#34
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
"Red Rider" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... John Weiss wrote: "John Carrier" wrote... Small was Oriskany, Hancock, and Lex and their sisters. Night traps on two of them. Indeed! The A-6 took up a LOT of space on Lady Lex! Gotta ask if anybody that reads this NG CQ'ed onboard Lex..I did, in 1973...still had a mirror... Or anybody serve onboard Lex, when she was still a CVA?? Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam, CVS-36. The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off San Clemente Island. F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a memorial service that never happened. R / John |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
"John Carrier" wrote in message . .. "Red Rider" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... John Weiss wrote: "John Carrier" wrote... Small was Oriskany, Hancock, and Lex and their sisters. Night traps on two of them. Indeed! The A-6 took up a LOT of space on Lady Lex! Gotta ask if anybody that reads this NG CQ'ed onboard Lex..I did, in 1973...still had a mirror... Or anybody serve onboard Lex, when she was still a CVA?? Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam, CVS-36. The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off San Clemente Island. F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a memorial service that never happened. R / John Yes, the accident rate was a little high at times, about three times as high as that of the Phantom when it came along. It didn't become the F-8C until Sept '62, just in time to confuse everybody for the Cuban training exercise. |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
SNIP
Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam, CVS-36. The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off San Clemente Island. F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a memorial service that never happened. R / John Yes, the accident rate was a little high at times, about three times as high as that of the Phantom when it came along. High enough that airpac started putting out two mishap rates to look somewhat competitive with airlant: Mishap rate and Mishap rate less F-8s. The longest mishap free period in the aircraft's history for a squadron was 21 months IIRC. It didn't become the F-8C until Sept '62, just in time to confuse everybody for the Cuban training exercise. And the K with a rewing and hard points. Got a few hours in that one. R / John |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
"John Carrier" wrote in message ... SNIP Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam, CVS-36. The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off San Clemente Island. F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a memorial service that never happened. R / John Yes, the accident rate was a little high at times, about three times as high as that of the Phantom when it came along. High enough that airpac started putting out two mishap rates to look somewhat competitive with airlant: Mishap rate and Mishap rate less F-8s. The longest mishap free period in the aircraft's history for a squadron was 21 months IIRC. It didn't become the F-8C until Sept '62, just in time to confuse everybody for the Cuban training exercise. And the K with a rewing and hard points. Got a few hours in that one. R / John You know I always felt safe and in control in the F8, but I was young, foolish, full of **** and vinegar, and thought I was bullet proof, bad things only happened to other people. What the hell did I know? But I did manage to log a landing for every takeoff, although it got close a few times, I never lost confidence in the aircraft. |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
Only buzzed carriers, being an AF pilot, but our basic fence speed in
the F4D (Phantom, that is)was 122 KIAS plus 2 knots per 1000# over empty/clean. But we could shave that speed 4 knots or so with a slippery runway (Da Nang in the monsoon!) . FWIW with zero crosswind you could plant a F104A, full flaps, at 135. If the F102 had had 8 foot long gear legs we could have landed it at about 115; but with the factory gear you'd drag a foot or so off the tailpipe. BTW hows come only a couple responders mentioned airspeed, and one of them sounded pretty high? Lots of reserve fuel in case of repeated bolters? Surely y'all had a basic airspeed to add to in case of extra fuel, external loads, etc. Or did you fly AOA and ignore IAS? Walt BJ |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
Peter,
John is right - the flying turkeyleg does consume a bunch of real estate on a 27-Charlie. I never actually hit the LEX myself, but in 1971 I was overhead LEX in the back seat of a T-2C with a VT-7 det, watching the VMA(AW)-224 CQ goon show prior to their 1972 CORAL MARU cruise. The last time any of 224's senior leadership had seen the back end of the boat was in the training command. Nearly all of the Bengals' JOs wore Wings Of Lead, having gone through USAF flight training as an expediency to get them into the cockpits quickly for the VN war, and none had ever CQed. After VA-95 stood up in 1972, the Lizards took over the Bengals' slot in the CVW-15 lineup. We wound up spending most of the pre-cruise rehab period aboard the CORAL MARU scraping off all the Semper Fi stuff and red/yellow paint out of our squadron spaces. -- Mike Kanze 436 Greenbrier Road Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259 USA 650-726-7890 "TSA (Transportation Security Administration): Thousands Standing Around." - Thomas P. M. Barnett wrote in message ups.com... John Weiss wrote: "John Carrier" wrote... Small was Oriskany, Hancock, and Lex and their sisters. Night traps on two of them. Indeed! The A-6 took up a LOT of space on Lady Lex! Gotta ask if anybody that reads this NG CQ'ed onboard Lex..I did, in 1973...still had a mirror... Or anybody serve onboard Lex, when she was still a CVA?? |
#40
|
|||
|
|||
Landing speeds for naval aircraft?
Ian MacLure wrote: wrote in oups.com: [snip] Yep, I was there in VF-151 when those 2 landed during the North Pacific 'Fun-Ex'....Midway-maru had more acreage that FID, BTW-BUT Midway always felt like it was 'small'... Well it is a WWII design. Much modified to be sure but WWII nonetheless. Straight deck until 1955-57. I expect if you told the guys building it that the ship would one day be landing on aircraft heavier than a B-17 they'd have though you were nuts. IBM Midway was wide, not much longer than any of them...so in the groove, it always looked 'small'...plus 3 wires, smaller hook to ramp for the F-4 than others....small....BUT when flying Turkeys off the 'FID", that seemed small also....When I got some traps on Kenneerdy, Ike, Nimitz...Turkey..they seemed huge but they also didn't have an airwing aboard. I think part of it was when they parked A/C on the left side of the landing area...not on the Forrestal class but all the others. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How? | Rick Umali | Piloting | 29 | February 15th 06 04:40 AM |
Homebuilt Aircraft Frequently Asked Questions List (FAQ) | Ron Wanttaja | Home Built | 0 | December 2nd 04 07:00 AM |
Homebuilt Aircraft Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) | Ron Wanttaja | Home Built | 0 | April 5th 04 03:04 PM |
Homebuilt Aircraft Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) | Ron Wanttaja | Home Built | 2 | February 2nd 04 11:41 PM |
Homebuilt Aircraft Frequently-Asked Questions (FAQ) | Ron Wanttaja | Home Built | 0 | July 4th 03 04:50 PM |