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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
... In article , (Teacherjh) wrote: We negotiated on the ground for an hour. Their alternative was either 7000 and their routing, or come back tomorrow. They were not going to give me anything else for any reason. I'll add to this... that I brought this up at a WINGS safety meeting (meet with the controllers) and they confirmed that that is the way they do business in the NY area. Jose I've had similar conversations with CD at White Plains. The gist of them is usually something like, "unable 8000 due to icing", "OK, you need to work it out with the departure controller once you're in the air". It's stupid, but at least you need to stick to your guns. I've done it a few times. You take off, and check in with departu "New York, Arrow 3875T, 1200 climbing 3000". "Radar contact, climb maintain 8000". "Unable 8000 due to icing" "Nobody told me that, weren't you cleared to 8000 on the ground?" "Yup, and I said unable, and the ground controller told me to work it out with you" eventually, they find something to do with you, but it sure doesn't seem like the right way to run things. Hm, I think I'd assume that it's not safe or legal for me to take off on a clearance that I know I can't safely or legally fly (even if that's what the ground controller suggests). It's a shame if the system expects us to do that. --Gary |
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