VFR Practise Approaches

On 10/2/2010 7:28 AM, wrote:
On Oct 2, 1:45 am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC
tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the
airspace before you enter it.

(emphasis added)

YOU CAN ADD ALL THE EMPHASIS YOU WANT, THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS WRONG.

What's wrong about it?

On Oct 2, 9:56*am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 10/2/2010 7:28 AM, wrote:

On Oct 2, 1:45 am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC
tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the
airspace before you enter it.

(emphasis added)

YOU CAN ADD ALL THE EMPHASIS YOU WANT, THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS WRONG.

What's wrong about it?

The first sentence before his word unless..... Start from the
beginning of this thread see why I say this.

His response to the OP question is so far off base it's ridiculous.

On 10/2/2010 9:56 AM, wrote:
On Oct 2, 9:56 am, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 10/2/2010 7:28 AM, wrote:

On Oct 2, 1:45 am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC
tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the
airspace before you enter it.

(emphasis added)

YOU CAN ADD ALL THE EMPHASIS YOU WANT, THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS WRONG.

What's wrong about it?

The first sentence before his word unless..... Start from the
beginning of this thread see why I say this.

His response to the OP question is so far off base it's ridiculous.

Are you saying his statement is wrong because some idiot could interpret
"you can do anything" as, for example, you can dance a jig?

The PIC does the flying. Unless ATC gives you specific instructions to
the contrary, you fly the way you want. If you want to ascend, you can
ascend (within airspace restrictions, of course); if you want to turn,
you turn, etc.

You are clearly reading more into his statement than what's there.

On Oct 2, 12:16*pm, Mark Hansen wrote:

You are clearly reading more into his statement than what's there.

No.... He said I can do what I want in Bravo. I cannot.

I can decline an ATC instruction as PIC for remaining VMC rather then
penetrate a cloud or the unlikely possibility of traffic conflict, but
I CANNOT do as I well please in Bravo.

AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE.....

If KMEM says cleared visual into Memphis, I am not expected to go
willy nilly. I am expected to make a straight line approach into
Memphis. Not take a scenic tour along the route from my position to
the threshold. If I wish such a deviation, I best get a clearance.
UNNECESSARY S turns slows my ground speed and I am sure would mess up
ATC's chess game of airplanes BEHIND me (not even considering the line
of planes waiting for me to vacate the piece of pavement in front of
me after landing).

Same for altitude. If I am 2000, with a visual cleared to land with
the above instructions, I best not climb without a clearance as I
would suspect that is not expected by ATC and that airspace above is
occupied by another airplane with the expectation I am to descend and
land.

Key thing is the expectation. Anything unexpected by ATC, I better
request a clearance. This is how I run my shop in the real world.

I have heard enough on Bravo freq. to substantiate what I am saying
where somebody gummed up the works and got chewed out on the air
because they did something unexpectedly.

Mx MSFS world nothing like the real deal and I sure hope you can
differentiate that even if he can't????????

On 10/2/2010 1:59 PM, wrote:
On Oct 2, 12:16 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:

You are clearly reading more into his statement than what's there.

No.... He said I can do what I want in Bravo. I cannot.

I can decline an ATC instruction as PIC for remaining VMC rather then
penetrate a cloud or the unlikely possibility of traffic conflict, but
I CANNOT do as I well please in Bravo.

So your example is that you must follow an ATC instruction? Really?
He said "Unless ATC tells you otherwise...". Please explain exactly
what he said can be done in B which you believe cannot.

If he says that to land a plane, you must descend from cruise altitude,
will you say that's wrong because he didn't include the other 20 or 30
things which also must be done?

It's clear you simply have a bone to pick with Anthony and don't care
if you're actually making any sense.

Lately I've noticed that Anthony has been making a real effort to
make it clear that he only simulates. Perhaps it's time to give him
a break?

On Oct 2, 5:43*pm, Mark Hansen wrote:

Please explain exactly
what he said can be done in B which you believe cannot.

I JUST DID. Let me repeat myself AGAIN so we are very clear where Mx
is wrong. He said I can do what I want in Bravo. I cannot.

RE-READ MY PRIOR POST.

To repeat myself AGAIN. You can't climb when you are expected to
descend. You can't change course without ATC permission in Bravo.
NOT SURE WHY YOU SNIPPED THAT OUT????

Lets go this route, be my guest if YOU wish to climb when making an
approach to land or deviate from your EXPECTED heading without a
clearance in Bravo. Not my ticket on the line. (see further down on
how I handle Bravo)

On Bravo transitions, when I request transition to XYZ airport, AFTER
getting my Bravo clearance, I may get maintain at or below 4500. Lack
of heading instructions does not give me permission to deviate. ATC
expects a straight line from entry to XYZ airport before you exit
Bravo. You best not be loitering over one's house while transitioning
WITHOUT permission as ATC just may be planning that airspace behind
you.

AGAIN If I am going to do something different then what is expected, I
will request from ATC permission. That is what I have done in KMEM,
KPIT, KMSY, KBWI and KCLE bravo airspace for sight seeing and I have
NOT been gigged for any time I queried to deviate.

With all the radio traffic, you have to be concise and to the point
and KNOW THE AREA for sight seeing in Bravo. I got from approach,
deviation approved, advise when returning back on course when I did
sight seeing tours in these areas.

I have on the flip side been denied sight seeing twice due to traffic
in the area. (houses were near IA approach fixes).

Again, if YOU want to change headings IN BRAVO without notifying ATC
JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN"T ISSUE YOU HEADING INSTRUCTIONS, be my guest,
it won't be my ticket on the line. You just may be turning into an IA
approach course filled up with airplanes!!!!!

Lately I've noticed that Anthony has been making a real effort to
make it clear that he only simulates. Perhaps it's time to give
him a break?

He sure DID NOT say he never flew a real plane in this thread until I
called him out on it did he!!!!!

He never answered my question about his experience in a real plane in
Bravo did he!!!!!

He won't get a break out of me until he stops lying to whom he
responds to. At least the person receiving the answer will at least
have a warning he has NO REAL WORLD experience.