RNAV vs IFR GPS

Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I said no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

"PaulaJay1" wrote in message =
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Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I =
said no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and =
gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course =
I can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?
=20
Chuck

Yes, Yes, and Yes.
I doubt the controller cared *which* kind of RNAV you had,
only that you had the navigation capability.
Even if you'd had only LORAN, you'd still have answered "Yes".
---JRC---

"John R. Copeland" wrote in message
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"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

Yes, Yes, and Yes.
I doubt the controller cared *which* kind of RNAV you had,
only that you had the navigation capability.
Even if you'd had only LORAN, you'd still have answered "Yes".
---JRC---

What do you mean only LORAN? Just kidding. I realize that it is now ancient
technology but it works just fine.

RNAV means that you can navigate random routes. LORAN and GPS both provide
that capability.

How come there is no designator for an approach certified GPS? /G only means
that you have at least an enroute and terminal certified GPS. I presume that
pilots who have an approach certified GPS have to ask for a specific
approach.
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Travis

You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?

Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?


"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
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Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck

Richard Hertz wrote:
You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?
Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?


That's not necessarily a fair criticism.
For those of us who have been flying since the 70's, we still think and
refer to airspace as TCA's, TRSA's and ARSA's. So we still remember RNAV
as VOR/DME, while LORAN and GPS are essentially global navigation
systems (although, technically, that's still another, different form
altogether).

john smith wrote:

Richard Hertz wrote:
You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?
Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?

That's not necessarily a fair criticism.
For those of us who have been flying since the 70's, we still think and
refer to airspace as TCA's, TRSA's and ARSA's. So we still remember RNAV
as VOR/DME, while LORAN and GPS are essentially global navigation
systems (although, technically, that's still another, different form
altogether).

I;ve been flying since the late 1950s and I adjust. TCA, and ARSAs seem
quite alien to me these days. Then again TRSAs don't because we still have
those.

I think the criticism is quite justified.

wrote in message ...
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john smith wrote:
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Richard Hertz wrote:
You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?
Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?

That's not necessarily a fair criticism.
For those of us who have been flying since the 70's, we still think =
and
refer to airspace as TCA's, TRSA's and ARSA's. So we still remember =
RNAV
as VOR/DME, while LORAN and GPS are essentially global navigation
systems (although, technically, that's still another, different form
altogether).
=20
I;ve been flying since the late 1950s and I adjust. TCA, and ARSAs =
seem
quite alien to me these days. Then again TRSAs don't because we still =
have
those.
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I think the criticism is quite justified.
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Me too, Sammy.
I've been flying since the middle fifties, and I've adjusted pretty =
well, too.
GPS approaches are a far cry from 4-course Range orientations,
and the Range Approaches that I learned to do without an ADF.
(Follow the edge of a leg into the cone of silence, then turn to xxx=BA =
and descend.)
Oooh, those were fun!
And why do I remember 3023.5 kHz? (Except they were kc back then.)
---JRC---

"John R. Copeland" wrote:

wrote in message ...


john smith wrote:

Richard Hertz wrote:
You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?
Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?

That's not necessarily a fair criticism.
For those of us who have been flying since the 70's, we still think and
refer to airspace as TCA's, TRSA's and ARSA's. So we still remember RNAV
as VOR/DME, while LORAN and GPS are essentially global navigation
systems (although, technically, that's still another, different form
altogether).

I;ve been flying since the late 1950s and I adjust. TCA, and ARSAs seem
quite alien to me these days. Then again TRSAs don't because we still have
those.

I think the criticism is quite justified.


Me too, Sammy.
I've been flying since the middle fifties, and I've adjusted pretty well, too.
GPS approaches are a far cry from 4-course Range orientations,
and the Range Approaches that I learned to do without an ADF.
(Follow the edge of a leg into the cone of silence, then turn to xxxº and descend.)
Oooh, those were fun!
And why do I remember 3023.5 kHz? (Except they were kc back then.)
---JRC---

Right, that was before Ms. Hertz took over from Mr. Cycle.

I remember 3023.5, except I can't recall what it was for. Was it a common HF tower
frequency even though most of the equppage was VHF by then? Perhaps you had a VHF
receiver, but only an HF transmitter? From the day I started the aircraft I flew
either had no radios or they had VHF transceivers (perhaps with only a few transmit
crystals and an analog receiver turner.) I remember my first IFR set well, the Narco
Omnigator. Did a lot of ATCS en route communications with that equipment.

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
et...

You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?


If he's filing /G why does the controller have to ask if he has RNAV?

My apologies - I was overly critical.

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
et...
You are filing /G and you don't know the answer to this?

Where do people get their IFR 'training' these days?


"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...
Coming into CLE the other day the controller ask if I had RNAV and I
said
no,
that I was /G ,that is, IFR GPS. He said that it was the same and gave
me
direct.....
Is it the same, should I have answered yes to his question? Of course I
can
navigate direct but do I have "RNAV"?

Chuck