Night Currency

Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency? Not a passenger, since he is required crew.

Not an issue for my partner, we both need to get current
and trust each other's ability. Is it legal?
TIA, Doug

In article ,
Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency?

He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

You might as well just do the T&Gs yourself before/after since there's
no way you can both be logging time at that point anyway.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:23:40 GMT, (Ben Jackson) wrote:


He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

As long as he is legal PIC you can do takeoffs and landings. If he is
not legal PIC you can't fly the plane with him in it.

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:gTKib.759066$Ho3.197260@sccrnsc03...
In article ,
Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency?

He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

You might as well just do the T&Gs yourself before/after since there's
no way you can both be logging time at that point anyway.

Agreed. Further, if something goes wrong, and you ding the plane, do
you really want to be splitting hairs over night currency
technicalities while trying to get the insurance company to pay up?

Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)

- Steve


On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:23:40 GMT, (Ben Jackson) wrote:

In article ,
Doug Campbell wrote:
Practicing for my IFR, with a safety pilot (required crewmember)
I am not current at night. Can we fly this way, and achieve
currency?

He's PIC and you're just the sole manipulator when you're under the hood,
but you couldn't do the takeoff or landing (unless you could do it under
the hood!) so you can't get current.

You might as well just do the T&Gs yourself before/after since there's
no way you can both be logging time at that point anyway.

Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)


And an often overlooked point, takeoffs are included. You can have a logbook
full of daytime takeoffs and night landings, and they don't help a bit without
night takeoffs.

Jose

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"Stephen N Mills" wrote:
Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)

Actually, to pick a tiny nit, the landings must be "to a full stop," for
which I have never found a definition in the FAR's. I do know that "full
stop" and "stop and go" mean different things to ATC.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

(Nathan Young) wrote in message . com...
(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:gTKib.759066$Ho3.197260@sccrnsc03...

Agreed. Further, if something goes wrong, and you ding the plane, do
you really want to be splitting hairs over night currency
technicalities while trying to get the insurance company to pay up?

The insurance deals with "pilot flying" and doesn't care one bit about
who is "PIC". PIC is an FAA thing. If a unqualified pilot has their
hands on the controls the insurance isn't going to pay regardless of
who is PIC.

"Dan Luke" c172rgATbellsouthDOTnet wrote in message ...
"Stephen N Mills" wrote:
Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)

Actually, to pick a tiny nit, the landings must be "to a full stop," for
which I have never found a definition in the FAR's. I do know that "full
stop" and "stop and go" mean different things to ATC.

Just to make it fun, "full stop" means something different to approach
then to tower. "full stop" to tower means you're going to pull off the
runway. "full stop" to approach means you don't have the intension to
go missed. During training we often tell approach "full stop" and then
tower "touch n go".

That is a point I had overlooked early on. I was only logging my night
landings, since most of those flights commenced earlier during daylight.

A question I still wonder is, If I only have night landings logged, would
I still be current to land at night, but just not to take off? or do I need
both night Takeoffs and night landings logged even if I only want to land
at night (with pax). Again, most of my flights which end in a night
landing, are just day-long trips where I get home late. It is a real pain to
make special trip to airport after dark just to practice night takeoffs.

What are your collective thoughts on this subject?


"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

Actually, for night currency, they must be *Stop & Go*s, not just T&Gs
by FAR 61.57(b)


And an often overlooked point, takeoffs are included. You can have a
logbook
full of daytime takeoffs and night landings, and they don't help a bit
without
night takeoffs.

Jose

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