Training aircraft recommendations

"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
news:lpbhc.24557

And I have some personal reasons
for looking for an aircraft with the above properties.

'Personal reasons' ???? How intimate a disclosure would it be to tell
what
kind of aircraft you would like to fly.... Man ,,, you're creeping me
out..... :-/

Yeah. Sign of the times. Don't say you don't need to learn to land it or
you'll be hearing helicopters.

-c

"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message news:c63jnl$7jui8$2@ID-

Thanks for Your answer! Yes, I think the T-34 or T-34C would be the way to
go.

Plus it's a beautiful airplane!

-c

the "killer AD's" refer to wing spar attachments and such... I think the
T-34 lost last season in TX was a possible spar attach failure.

Cost of repair could ground the aircraft permanently.

BT

"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

Airplanes such as you describe are not normally used for civilian
flight training, and are not common in the civilian fleet. If you
must use such an airplane, I suggest the T-34. It is a surplus
military trainer, but available used on the civil market. Be aware,
there are some killer AD's in the works.

Thanks for Your answer! Yes, I think the T-34 or T-34C would be the way to
go.

Benjamin

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:35:45 -0700, BTIZ wrote:

the "killer AD's" refer to wing spar attachments and such... I think the
T-34 lost last season in TX was a possible spar attach failure.

Cost of repair could ground the aircraft permanently.

BT

"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

Airplanes such as you describe are not normally used for civilian
flight training, and are not common in the civilian fleet. If you
must use such an airplane, I suggest the T-34. It is a surplus
military trainer, but available used on the civil market. Be aware,
there are some killer AD's in the works.

Thanks for Your answer! Yes, I think the T-34 or T-34C would be the way to
go.

Benjamin


Last I heard, those planes were compliant to all ADs. Is that not true?

Greg Copeland wrote
Last I heard, those planes were compliant to all ADs. Is that not true?

No, it's not. None of the T-34's that lost a wing were AD compliant.
More importantly, none were privately owned. All belonged to these
'weekend warrior' operations, meaning they were rode hard and put up
wet.

The one that crashed in Houston recently was scheduled to have the AD
performed, and thus should have been restricted to 2 gees. Camera
film indicates that it was passing a plane in a turn, on the outside.
The plane on the inside of the turn was puling 5 gees.

Despite this, the old AD has been ruled insufficient, and the new AD
will likely be a killer.

Michael

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:58:11 -0700, Michael wrote:

Greg Copeland wrote
Last I heard, those planes were compliant to all ADs. Is that not true?

No, it's not. None of the T-34's that lost a wing were AD compliant.
More importantly, none were privately owned. All belonged to these
'weekend warrior' operations, meaning they were rode hard and put up
wet.

The one that crashed in Houston recently was scheduled to have the AD
performed, and thus should have been restricted to 2 gees. Camera
film indicates that it was passing a plane in a turn, on the outside.
The plane on the inside of the turn was puling 5 gees.

Despite this, the old AD has been ruled insufficient, and the new AD
will likely be a killer.


Wow. Hard to believe that an operation like that would not of
placed prioity on complying with AD's.

Thanks.

Benjamin

One came unglued just north of Houston a couple of months ago.

Nice guy and his air combat student were killed.

Big John


On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:37:57 +0200, "Benjamin Gawert"
wrote:

Michael wrote:

Airplanes such as you describe are not normally used for civilian
flight training, and are not common in the civilian fleet. If you
must use such an airplane, I suggest the T-34. It is a surplus
military trainer, but available used on the civil market. Be aware,
there are some killer AD's in the works.

Thanks for Your answer! Yes, I think the T-34 or T-34C would be the way to
go.

Benjamin