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IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:28:24 -0400, Pixel Dent
wrote in : On a recent flight I took the ceiling was about 4500' and there was ice in the clouds, but the MEA was about 5000' due to some hills which were easily avoidable VFR. If I had filed I would have been forced into icing conditions instead of enjoying a safe VFR flight at 3500'. That must have put within 500' of the surface terrain at some point. |
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IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
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Larry Dighera wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:28:24 -0400, Pixel Dent wrote in : On a recent flight I took the ceiling was about 4500' and there was ice in the clouds, but the MEA was about 5000' due to some hills which were easily avoidable VFR. If I had filed I would have been forced into icing conditions instead of enjoying a safe VFR flight at 3500'. That must have put within 500' of the surface terrain at some point. No, not even within 1000'. It was coming out of Roanoke, VA which is more or less surrounded by a circle of hills of greatly varying heights. The Departure procedures and the IFR routes in the direction I was going all took you right over a 4000' hill, but if you zig out to the East like I did you just need to cross a 2000' hill before you're out of mountains and over the lowlands. Yeah, I suspect I could have eventually negotiated an IFR route which took me over that 2000' hill instead, and maybe they would have even had radar coverage at the lower altitude I wanted to fly (although they said I was too low for flight following), but this is one case where I felt safer picking my own route and altitude VFR than flying IFR. |
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IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:44:49 -0400, Pixel Dent
wrote in : this is one case where I felt safer picking my own route and altitude VFR than flying IFR. Right. Why unnecessarily choose IMC over VMC when there is no necessity. |
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IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com... Is your objective minimum risk or acceptable risk? Acceptable, of course. If I was going for minimal risk, my life would be very different, indeed. One thing Collins recommends to help counter the dangers of instrument flight is to file on every single flight, and to end every single flight with an instrument approach. Do you guys do that? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" I don't file IFR for VMC flights. I want to experience the freedom of flight. However, I am very comfortable on the radio so enroute bantering with controllers, I don't need. I do hold myself to IFR standards for course and altitude. I will, however, ask for an approach at the destination, if I don't think I'll get in the way. The problem is that, when it is VMC, the vectoring and the approach are about as simple as it can get. When the weather is iffy, that's when you get turned outbound to fall in line with a string of other planes on the approach or put into a hold or ... I do agree that it is beneficial to file everytime until one is comfortable with the system. After that, filing does not really do much to improve IMC flying skills (while following instructions) which is the killer. ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK |
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IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com... Sorry, it sounds a little like you're trolling. In other words, you disagree. Why not just say so instead of pretending that there is something objectively wrong with someone else's expression of opinion? Actually, you're both wrong. I am neither trolling, nor expressing my opinion. Rather, I am seeking a risk assessment from experienced IFR pilots who regularly fly IFR in light piston aircraft. If I am ever to proceed to the IR, it's must be with the full consent of my co-pilot. If she and I determine that the risk of GA instrument flight is simply too high to bear -- or, worse, if we disagree on that risk, and she simply won't fly instruments with me -- there is no need to proceed to that next rating. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Just having the rating won't force you into higher risk situations. With each flight, you still choose what level of risk you are willing to take. Haven't flown IFR for a while? Then don't do a flight that will require hard IFR enroute followed by an approach to mins. There is still a lot of value in getting up or down through a deck or doing an approach to a 1000 foot ceiling. Very managable risks. For me, an IFR rating allows me to make more trips on my schedule. Not all. But more. -- ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK |
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Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics was: IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
Ok, statistics say that you are twice as likely to die if you are IFR vs
VFR (apparently - at least that's what kicked off this thread). Also, there was a recent thread comparing the statistics for GA vs scheduled airlines... Some more to consider - You are 29 times more likely to die if you are behind the wheel of an Acura RSX vs a Chevy Astro minivan. Jay - you drive a Mustang, right? Did you know you are 21 times as likely to die compared to the Astro? Here's another good one - The death rate for the Mercury Grand Marquis is 66% higher than the Ford Crown Victoria - and they are the same car!!! (Based on driver deaths per number of registerd vehicles) Correlation does not imply causality. -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics was: IFR Flight Twice as Deadlyas VFR?
The death rate for the Mercury Grand
Marquis is 66% higher than the Ford Crown Victoria - and they are the same car!!! They are not, however, the same drivers. Consider who the brands appeal to. Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics was: IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
Jose writes:
They are not, however, the same drivers. Consider who the brands appeal to. The same applies to aviation. The raw statistics are only meaningful if you have absolutely no control over the situation and your situation is identical to the average situation. However, a pilot, like a car driver or motorcycle rider, has a great deal of control over the situation, which means that overall statistics may be entirely inapplicable to an individual pilot. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics was: IFR Flight Twice as Deadly as VFR?
On 21 Apr, 23:06, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jose writes: They are not, however, the same drivers. Consider who the brands appeal to. The same applies to aviation. The raw statistics are only meaningful if you have absolutely no control over the situation and your situation is identical to the average situation. However, a pilot, like a car driver or motorcycle rider, has a great deal of control over the situation, which means that overall statistics may be entirely inapplicable to an individual pilot. How would you know, wannabe boi? Bertie |
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