I just have to get it off my chest.

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"russell" wrote in message
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Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install
unwanted programmes) when all you need to do is resize your
pictures before you post them. The best pictures on this NG
come from Glenn (IMO) and we don't have to install any upgraded
software to view his images, so what is so special about yours?
If you can't take his lead, maybe you are the loser and we have
missed nothing....



"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in
particular.


Regarding YENC:


There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST
upgrade.




This group has decided to be YENC-free and has reaffirmed the
decision many times. If it goes YENC, I'm leaving.

gdp






don't get you panties in a twist there Don
It really should not matter yenc or not if you have a good
newsreader OE is not a good newreader BTW

"Good" is a matter of opinion. OE sends and receives email, it
has a broad group of filters, it doesn't force me to open anything
I don't want to read, it reads from and posts to newsgroups, it
combines and decodes.....just what would make it "good"? YENC???
From my experience, anyone who says OE is trash simply doesn't
know how to use it.

gdp








OE is fine for email but as a newsreader it is stuck in the
darkages There several fine newreader that would make posting and
reading far simpler If you want to stay in the dark ages that is
fine but don't attack those who post in an easily readable format.
If you use a more up to date reader you can see what is posted by
those who choose to use yenc. As for me when I post I don'y use
yenc but I have no problem with those who do.
"It is better to light one single candle than to curse the
darkness"


I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to
use than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to
manually read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Um...thanks for the prompt reply but you haven't told me anything that
OE can't do. It can do all the things you say it can't. Perhaps you
are one of those who don't know how to use it.

And, I'll bet you a years wages that you don't know what other
newsreaders I have tried.

gdp






I have used several newsreaders in the past in crulding OE and like so
many of Bill gates' product I found OE to be lacking all of the features
I just mentioned If you want to believe in Bill and microsloth that's
all fine and goo but I used OE when I was a newbie and found it wanting
and found xnews is soooo much better.
As for newsreader you may have tried I would bet the were some
primitive attempts building the better mousetrap


It's interesting that my copy of OE will do the things that your copy won't.

Clem wrote:
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:


The reason I have no interest in Yenc is that is seems that
if I were to use it I would be overcome with an unstoppable
and highly irritating desire to berate anyone who did not
adopt my belief. I would have to tell everyone who had no
interest, just how good Yenc is and why they should get new
software. I would also have to thrust all this onto the
members of groups that have democratically agreed no to use
this marvelous Yenc.

I'll just continue going about my own business and going
with the majority and ignoring all those Yenc missionaries.

Clem wrote:

This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.

Regarding YENC:

if yEnc users follow the convention and place "yEnc" in the header line,
there is no problem.

redc1c4,
pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

I have used several newsreaders in the past in crulding OE and like so
many of Bill gates' product I found OE to be lacking all of the features
I just mentioned If you want to believe in Bill and microsloth that's
all fine and goo but I used OE when I was a newbie and found it wanting
and found xnews is soooo much better.
As for newsreader you may have tried I would bet the were some
primitive attempts building the better mousetrap


So the truth will come out. It's not OE that's the problem, it's Bill
Gates...

Clairbear wrote in news:Xns9967D801DDA8Fclairbear@
130.81.64.196:

"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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SNIP



I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to use
than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to manually
read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Like you, I use Xnews. The feature which sold me on it is that the fact
that a file is yENC is just not an issue any more. I don't have to
"convert" a received yENC file. I just download the file and Xnews shows me
the picture.

What I don't understand is why there seems to be an impression going around
that yENC files are humungous in comparison to other encoding used for
newsgroups. A file sent using the "normal" newsgroup encoding is generally
33 to 40% larger than the same file sent using yENC. For large, what about
the fellow a few days ago that posted some large BMP image files. If I
remember correctly, each image was a nine-part attachment. If he had used
yENC, they would only have been about six-part attachments. I personaly
think that a 30% saving in download time, bandwidth usage or whatever is
worthy of real consideration. I know that someone will then say they can't
get a yENC newsreader for their five-year-old computer. Five years in
computer history is like 50 years in the automotive industry. While it is
probably fairly easy to get upgrades for a 50-year-old Ford, it may not be
the same for Studebaker or some other model produced in relatively lower
volumes.

shiver wrote in news:080720071223131051%
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Frank wrote:


Just use your web
browser to search for "yenc newsreader" and you will be rewarded with a
long list of free offerings.

I'll tell you what Frank.

Upgrading my older Mac OS and software is NOT AN OPTION.

So if YOU can find a way for me to view YENC images that won't cost me
any money which I do not have I will be eternally grateful.

However it MUST WORK WITH OS 8.6 and my newsreader YA Newswatcher 5.0.1

And I mean it must work with that system...... PERIOD.

I can tell you that after trying for years and listening to advice from
people just like you that noboday and I mean nobody has been able to
come up with a solution for me.

So I go back to my simple attitude..... If your not willing to post
images to this group or any others in a manner that all can see then
obviously you do not wish me to see your pictures and in that case
it is very simple... I CAN'T MISS WHAT I CAN'T SEE.


Fair enough, but what you are saying sounds very much like: "My telephone
uses magneto crank handles for signalling, so you can't reach me by
dialling, even if you know my number." I'm not sure who is missing the
more.

Frank wrote in
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Clairbear wrote in news:Xns9967D801DDA8Fclairbear@
130.81.64.196:

"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
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"Clairbear" wrote in message
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SNIP



I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please
tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to
use than OE.




Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't
It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps
It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to
manually read each and every one with OE
I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more
efficient and easier that OE
What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work
better

Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know.

Like you, I use Xnews. The feature which sold me on it is that the
fact that a file is yENC is just not an issue any more. I don't have
to "convert" a received yENC file. I just download the file and Xnews
shows me the picture.

What I don't understand is why there seems to be an impression going
around that yENC files are humungous in comparison to other encoding
used for newsgroups. A file sent using the "normal" newsgroup
encoding is generally 33 to 40% larger than the same file sent using
yENC. For large, what about the fellow a few days ago that posted some
large BMP image files. If I remember correctly, each image was a
nine-part attachment. If he had used yENC, they would only have been
about six-part attachments. I personaly think that a 30% saving in
download time, bandwidth usage or whatever is worthy of real
consideration. I know that someone will then say they can't get a yENC
newsreader for their five-year-old computer. Five years in computer
history is like 50 years in the automotive industry. While it is
probably fairly easy to get upgrades for a 50-year-old Ford, it may
not be the same for Studebaker or some other model produced in
relatively lower volumes.



Well said Much better than I was able to put it

Goodby - Good Ridance!


"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:

The only interpretation provided to newbies, is to use a simple reader
like OE. Unless you know the history of yenc software, newbies can't
figure out why an answer like that is provided and the tempers erupt.

You can plonk people to death, but what's the point? If we were at an air
show and I mentioned that I use yenc, would you stop talking to me or I
you? Probably not, that would be rude, so why persist with that type
behavior on this newsgroup?

This group has an aversion to yenc for only one noticeable reason, the
rules here. Yenc has come a long way since its inception. If you take
time to learn it, you might change your mind about it.

It's assumed plonking posters who use yenc will be shamed into leaving or
at least stop any future yenc posts.

I was asked not to post here a long time ago because of the "rules".

That's ok, I won't post anything on this group and subsequently the group
has been denied what I have to share. I don't see the logic in it, but
that's the way this group runs itself. This group only denies themselves
because of an outdated rule.

Every group I use that allows binary posting doesn't seem to have a
problem with yenc. Actually they could care less and personally I have
not had any trouble viewing others yenc postings. What this group needs
is a rule to update its rules which brings me to this point:

I don't understand why an unmoderated group insists on enforcing rules
over a public platform like the Internet. Unless someone is breaking laws
like posting child porn, the ability to enforce a rule like this is non-
existent. It actually invites trouble.

When a new user comes along, where do they go for the list of rules? The
list of do's and do not's appear nowhere when I visit here.

I say it's time to vote again. I say an open vote on a public system like
yahoo should resolve this issue once and for all.

For some reason I have a problem looking at GIF and BMP files only in a
newsgroup. Should that reason alone be reason enough that I ask everyone
not to use those formats?

Eventually I'll find out what the problem is with my readers.

The point here is that what problem "I" have should not be yours which is
what oldtimers here don't understand. If all you see is gibberish, it
isn't decoding. If the software isn't decoding it either has a problem or
doesn't recognize the format.

There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade.

Clem wrote:


The only interpretation provided to newbies, is to use a simple reader
like OE.

I wonder if the push to yenc is an attempt to take down microsoft a bit?
Just wondering.





You can plonk people to death, but what's the point? If we were at an air
show and I mentioned that I use yenc, would you stop talking to me or I
you?

Yes. The subject has been talked to death. Yet yenc pumpers don't seem
to get it.



Probably not, that would be rude, so why persist with that type
behavior on this newsgroup?

Huh? Yenc pumpers are persisting.
I just haven't changed my mind.

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:42:10 -0400, Woody wrote
(in article ):

My solution to YENC posters is just to stick them in the killfile.

And this affects me... how?

Stop
trying to dictate what everyone else should use.

Not doing that. On the other hand, some people are trying to say how others
must post.

My solution is if you
insist on YENC I don't want to see your pictures.

Sounds like a plan.



"Frank" wrote in message
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"russell" wrote in
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Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install unwanted
programmes) when all you need to do is resize your pictures before you
post them. The best pictures on this NG come from Glenn (IMO) and we
don't have to install any upgraded software to view his images, so
what is so special about yours? If you can't take his lead, maybe you
are the loser and we have missed nothing....



"Clem" wrote in message
. 97.136...
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular.


Regarding YENC:


There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade.




Clem:

I agree with you wholeheartedly. "Upgrade to what?" Just use your web
browser to search for "yenc newsreader" and you will be rewarded with a
long list of free offerings. Why downsize your images when YENC is so
easy.

Frank