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Which post-WW2 combat aircraft have not been used in combat?
Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever it's called these days)? And why? Some ROE: 1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons. 2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission. 3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated! To start things off, here are my USAF candidates: B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission. B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce). F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other countries? F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat). F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead. F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then? Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing. At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good deal for his money! Kirk (tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group) |
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"Kirk Stant" wrote in message om... Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever it's called these days)? And why? Some ROE: 1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons. 2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission. 3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated! Any Swedish aircraft after the Tunnan I think.. i.e. Draken, Viggen, |
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CF-100 Canuck ? Rather confident the Canadians never went into combat with
it. The only other Clunck users were the Belgians, they might have done some air-to-ground work in the Congo with theirs, but this is just a WAG (wild-assed guess) Cave Putorem Steven |
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(Kirk Stant) wrote:
Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever it's called these days)? And why? Some ROE: 1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons. 2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission. 3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated! To start things off, here are my USAF candidates: B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission. B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce). F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other countries? F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat). F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead. F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then? Could be wrong, but here goes: B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab 29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen, Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler, Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20, Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom, McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1 Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker... Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing. At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good deal for his money! Kirk (tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group) Same. |
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Mike Marron wrote:
HI B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab I have read that F106 was used in used in Vietnam for few monthes but not with the expected results (1 shot down) 29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat G.91, English Electric Lightning, I think Vulcan was used for Malouines Airfield bombing... scimitar by indian in Pakistan/India war (not sure, sea vixen?) Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen, Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, Gnat was used by India in India vs Pakistan ? BAe Hawk, Fuji T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler, Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20, Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom, McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, by IAF McDonnell FH-1 Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker... A+ |
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"Alex A" wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab I have read that F106 was used in used in Vietnam for few monthes but not with the expected results (1 shot down) I'm afraid you're confusing the F-106 with its delta-wing F-102 predecessor. A quick visual to differentiate between the two is the clipped vertical fin on the Six and the air-intakes are also behind the canopy (not to mention the Six blows the Duece away in terms of takeoff/climbout performance when watching from the ground). But the -102 was in 'Nam and the -106 wasn't. 29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat G.91, English Electric Lightning, I think Vulcan was used for Malouines Airfield bombing... scimitar by indian in Pakistan/India war (not sure, sea vixen?) OK? Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen, Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, Gnat was used by India in India vs Pakistan ? ? BAe Hawk, Fuji T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler, Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20, Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom, McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, by IAF OK. McDonnell FH-1 Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker... A+ Heh. |
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"Mike Marron" wrote in message ... (Kirk Stant) wrote: Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever it's called these days)? And why? Some ROE: 1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons. 2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission. 3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated! To start things off, here are my USAF candidates: B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission. B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce). F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other countries? F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat). F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead. F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then? Could be wrong, but here goes: Gloster Javelin, Javelins were in a semi-shootin' war with Indonesia I believe. As was the Sea Vixen. Both were intecepting aircraft but not shooting them down (although I believe the Javelins managed to get an Indonesian C130 to fly into the ground) Avro Vulcan, Falkland Islands not ring a bell? Handley Page Victor Dropped bombs in Indonesia conflict (I think) again. If not there then Aden or something like that... Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer Used against Angola by South Africa. BAe Hawk Used in its intended role by the Indonesians (alway with the Indonesians!) against armed rebels. deHavilland Venom, Pretty sure that saw some service in the Far/Middle east. Hawker Sea Fury Shot down a couple of MiG 15s in Korea, heavily involved in that conflict. |
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"tw" wrote in message ... "Mike Marron" wrote in message ... (Kirk Stant) wrote: Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever it's called these days)? Gloster Javelin, Javelins were in a semi-shootin' war with Indonesia I believe. One story has Javelins being called in for Close Air Support (Javelin was purely an interceptor). They overflew the Indonesian / insurgent positions and lit off the afterburners, which always started with a heck of a bang. The noise itself was sufficient to send the enemy scuttling away. As was the Sea Vixen. Both were intecepting aircraft but not shooting them down (although I believe the Javelins managed to get an Indonesian C130 to fly into the ground) Avro Vulcan, Falkland Islands not ring a bell? Handley Page Victor Dropped bombs in Indonesia conflict (I think) again. If not there then Aden or something like that... Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer Used against Angola by South Africa. Used by RAF as target designators, and once or twice as bombers, during the First Gulf War. |
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Mike Marron wrote: Saab 29, The Saab 29 (Tunnan, Flying Barrel) did see active duty between 1961 and 1963 during United Nations missions in Congo. http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/text/29kongo.htm -- Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/ |
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"Alex A" wrote in message ... Mike Marron wrote: HI B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab I have read that F106 was used in used in Vietnam for few monthes but not with the expected results (1 shot down) You should avoid quoting Stickney, Alex. |
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