Landing ballasted

Pete Zeugma wrote: Would you also want to practice landing a glider
full
up with ballast as well?


I do not practice landing with water ballast but I have landed both my
ASW-19b and my ASW-28 ballasted. All cases were landings for contest
"re-lights". The max landing weight for both gliders equals the max
gross weight and there is no prohibition on landing ballasted.


Andy

I have seen Ralph Jones (the U.K. Schempp agent) land his big Nimbi full of
water many times on Lasham's main runway during comps.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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Pete Zeugma wrote: Would you also want to practice landing a glider
full up with ballast as well?


I do not practice landing with water ballast but I have landed both my
ASW-19b and my ASW-28 ballasted. All cases were landings for contest
"re-lights". The max landing weight for both gliders equals the max
gross weight and there is no prohibition on landing ballasted.

Andy

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:

I have seen Ralph Jones (the U.K. Schempp agent) land his big Nimbi full
of water many times on Lasham's main runway during comps.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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Yes, I saw him do that once. His undercarriage collapsed.

Your C of A may or may not let you do it, depending on what you fly.
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Richard Brisbourne wrote:
W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:


I have seen Ralph Jones (the U.K. Schempp agent) land his big Nimbi full
of water many times on Lasham's main runway during comps.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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Yes, I saw him do that once. His undercarriage collapsed.

Did it _collapse_ (pieces actually break), or did it just retract? As we
know, gliders do sometimes have "uncommanded retractions" upon landing,
most of them without ballast, due to gear design or maintenance.

I routinely land my ASH 26 E with "half ballast" (the engine), and
sometimes with full ballast (engine plus water). It's not a problem on a
runway, but it could be a problem in field landing.


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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

At 19:54 29 January 2004, W.J. \bill\ Dean \u.K.\.
wrote:
I have seen Ralph Jones (the U.K. Schempp agent) land
his big Nimbi full of
water many times on Lasham's main runway during comps.

Thats because Ralph is tight! From what I've seen he
usually has antifreeze in it too, and I'm sure I recollect
him hangering it up at Aboyne still full of ballast,
and emptying it back into the barrels when he de-rigs!

Well the last time I saw him do that was the Lasham regionals, the
undercarriage "uncommandedly retracted" on the main runway and he skidded
uncontrollably into an ASW 27B, slicing a winglet off of it :-S

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Richard Brisbourne wrote:
W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:


I have seen Ralph Jones (the U.K. Schempp agent) land his big Nimbi full
of water many times on Lasham's main runway during comps.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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Yes, I saw him do that once. His undercarriage collapsed.

Did it _collapse_ (pieces actually break), or did it just retract? As we
know, gliders do sometimes have "uncommanded retractions" upon landing,
most of them without ballast, due to gear design or maintenance.

I routinely land my ASH 26 E with "half ballast" (the engine), and
sometimes with full ballast (engine plus water). It's not a problem on a
runway, but it could be a problem in field landing.


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Washington State
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