Fun weekend buying an Arrow (long)

On 6-Apr-2005, "Paul kgyy" wrote:

Enjoy the Arrow - it's one of the great airplanes. Be thankful for
that free-fall landing gear. I landed with 2 green last year when one
of the squat switch wires broke from old age - strong pucker factor.


Exactly the same thing happened to me in our Arrow IV. What made it
interesting is that it happened when I lowered the gear to slow down in the
looooong line of airplanes headed in to land at OSH.

--
-Elliott Drucker

On 6-Apr-2005, "Tony" wrote:

I'd fly away half the tank I took off on, switch over, and take most of
the
fuel off the other tank.


An Arrow will get pretty wing-heavy with one tank full and the other at
half. This is particularly true on newer Arrows with 72 gallons usable
fuel. What I do is fly for 45 min on the "takeoff" tank and then switch
every hour. Keeps the fuel load balanced within a few gallons.
--
-Elliott Drucker

Morgans wrote:

"Ross Richardson" wrote



How did you find the performance, TAS, fuel burn, etc?



Ross - be kind to dialup users; trim your responses. You sent a 6kb post
for less than 1kb of response.

Thanks.


Yes, sorry about that. I will do better.

Ross

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
news:JuS4e.23$Xm3.18@trndny01...
I burn fuel from the tank that the minute hand on my clock is pointing to.
That way I can always tell by looking if I remembered to switch tanks last
1/2 hour.

My tie-down is fifty feet from the runway. I don't switch tanks on the
ground for this reason. I'd hate to switch to a bad one only to find out
at
100' that it's bad. I'd rather find out 1/2 hour later, at several
thousand
feet. My opinion will probably change the first time I find bad gas in one
of my tanks.


One little trick I learned after picking an airplane up from a hayfield
because the fuel selector shaft broke. Never switch fuel tanks unless you
can see a place to land about one minute ahead! :-) Airports are best, but
any good field will do.

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

Just curious, Jack: How did an Arrow owned by this guy in North
Carolina end up for sale out in Denver?

************************************************** *
N-number : N2104T
Aircraft Serial Number : 28R-7135048
Aircraft Manufacturer : PIPER
Model : PA-28R-200
Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
Model : I0360 SER
Aircraft Year : 1971
Owner Name : PHILLIPS DAVID T
Owner Address : PO BOX 720
KENANSVILLE, NC, 28349-0720
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 22-Nov-1999
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Normal
********************************************

--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article .com, Tony wrote:
have been in the owner's manual that said something like "switch to
most full fuel tank" before takeoff, and after run-up. That's the worst
possible time to change tanks.

Ack. Have to agree with you, but I think you misread the instructions.
I start and taxi on one tank, then run up on the other with takeoff on
the same tank as the runup. That way, you know you have good fuel in
both tanks.


Morris

Jack Allison wrote:
Saturday: Flew commercially from Sacramento to Denver and had my
first
chance to lay eyes on N2104T, located at Front Range airport.

Do you live near Sacramento? I live in Sacramento. When I saw that N
number I went searching. Turns out that I did some teaching in N2105T
(one number different) out of Cameron Park several years ago.

Enjoy your new airplane. If you need any advice on good and bad shops
in the area (we certainly have both) let me know!

-Robert, CFI M20 owner

In article .com, Tony wrote:

have been in the owner's manual that said something like "switch to
most full fuel tank" before takeoff, and after run-up. That's the worst
possible time to change tanks.

How long would the engine run if you selected an empty tank? My 182
doesn't even go 30 seconds at idle after I turn the gas off.

One well known aviation university teaches you to "fly out on the tank
you flew in on". The theory being that takeoff is not the time to "test"
whether a tank you just switched to is blocked, the fuel valve
malfunctioned, a tank is empty (cuz you forgot to check it), a tank you
just switched to is full of water, etc.

If you switch just prior to takeoff or just prior to runup, you have
about 1 or 2 minutes of flight until the carb bowl and gascolator
empties in a small Piper. Then, you get an empty fuel line or whatever
was in the other tank. Usually, you are not in a very good position to
deal with no fuel or contaminated fuel at the end of that short time period.

Opinions on this one vary. I leave the valve where it is and switch
after burning off about 5 gallons (climb to 2500' plus 10 minutes of
cruise).

Good Luck,
Mike

Journeyman wrote:

In article .com, Tony wrote:

have been in the owner's manual that said something like "switch to
most full fuel tank" before takeoff, and after run-up. That's the worst
possible time to change tanks.


Ack. Have to agree with you, but I think you misread the instructions.
I start and taxi on one tank, then run up on the other with takeoff on
the same tank as the runup. That way, you know you have good fuel in
both tanks.


Morris

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"Mike Spera" wrote in message ...
Opinions on this one vary. I leave the valve where it is and switch
after burning off about 5 gallons (climb to 2500' plus 10 minutes of
cruise).

For my first tank switch, I like to be over something that I wouldn't mind
landing on or at a high enough altitude that having the engine stop would
not be too exciting of an experience... Subsequent switches, I'm not as
paranoid about...