Depression after Washing

My understanding is that most commercially available airplane paints are
single stage (Imron and Jetglow), and are usually not clear coated.

Larry Dighera writes:

Why?

They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it
properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many
possibilities.

It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business
people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft.

Many adults aren't that responsible. Pilots get themselves killed often
enough; why would they be any more cautious for someone else's sake?

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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My understanding is that most commercially available airplane paints are
single stage (Imron and Jetglow), and are usually not clear coated.

Since he had a 150 and the paint was 6 years old, I'm assuming it's
aftermarket and they used a cheaper clearcoat system especially since it's
already started to fail after 6 years, but this may be a bad assumption.

In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes:

Why?

They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it
properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many
possibilities.

About the only impossibility is that you would ever get a clue.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:32:53 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

Larry Dighera writes:

Why?

They might total the airplane that you share.

That's always a possibility, and one of the many reasons that
liability and hull insurance is mandatory.

They might not maintain it properly.

While that may happen inadvertently, because they have a financial
interest in the airplane, it's not likely to be done deliberately.
There is only a limited amount of maintenance federal regulations
permit pilots to perform. For all else, an FAA certificated Airframe
and Powerplant mechanic must perform or directly supervise the work,
and sign the aircraft log books. Also, an FAA certificated Inspector
of Aircraft must annually attest to the airplane's compliance with
regulations and airworthiness requirements by signing the aircraft's
log books, so it's not likely anything will slip by unnoticed for too
long.

They might damage it without telling anyone.

I presume you mean accidentally. Pilots examine the airplane before
each flight, so any visible damage would be discovered promptly. The
person responsible could be determined fairly easily. If the damage
is not immediately visible, it will most probably be discovered at the
next annual inspection.

In my experience, this isn't an issue, but in any case the cost to
repair the damage would be split among the pilots.

There are many possibilities.

Indeed. On of the most important possibilities for trouble is the
liability exposure in the event of a crash. That can be addressed
easily by forming a Nevada/Delaware corporation to hold title to the
aircraft.


It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business
people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft.

Many adults aren't that responsible.

Of course one must exercise caution in his business affairs. Normally
the all "aircraft owners" (and the insurance underwriter) must approve
of each other, and any new or replacement "owners." Mistakes in
judgment can be made, but the history of every pilot is somewhat
documented in their log books, and by the FAA/NTSB, and their medical
condition is officially checked by an FAA certificated Aviation
Medical Examiner periodically, so it's not as likely as one might
expect in other situations.

Pilots get themselves killed often enough; why would they be any more
cautious for someone else's sake?

Natural Selection soon eliminates pilots who are imprudent from the
ranks, so I don't see that as a significant risk, unless the pilot is
inexperienced. But pilot experience is documented and one of the
membership criteria, hopefully.

There are all sorts of risks in life. If we didn't take some risk, we
wouldn't do anything worthwhile. It all boils down to knowledge,
wisdom, and judgment. It usually doesn't take long to spot
unacceptable character flaws or personality defects. Should that be
the case with one of the "owners," the others by him out. Simple.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Larry Dighera writes:

Why?

They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it
properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many
possibilities.

It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business
people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft.

Many adults aren't that responsible. Pilots get themselves killed often
enough; why would they be any more cautious for someone else's sake?

Your assumptions are proving your ignorance and inexperience.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes:

They might total the airplane that you share. They might not maintain it
properly. They might damage it without telling anyone. There are many
possibilities.

Thanks for clearing that up for all the pilots and aircraft owners,
Anthony. I'm sure without your experience it would never occur to them.

-c

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Larry Dighera writes:

Why?

They might total the airplane that you share. They might not
maintain it properly. They might damage it without telling anyone.
There are many possibilities.

It requires that they be responsible adults, preferably business
people who can afford to own 1/3 of an aircraft.

Many adults aren't that responsible. Pilots get themselves killed
often enough; why would they be any more cautious for someone else's
sake?

Your assumptions are proving your ignorance and inexperience.




Your posts are proving you're a loon.


bertie

Charles Talleyrand wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:45 pm, "Mike" wrote:

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message

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My kid and I just washed the plane. Even after washing it, there are
still chips of paint missing, a bit of rust, a drip-stain of fuel, and
so on. The panel looks like it has been modified every once in a
while since 1966. My plane is relatively nice compared to the other
ones on the field, but it's still in worse cosmetic condition than my
car.

None of these problems is a safety issue, and none of them could be
fixed without spending significant time and/or money.

One of the reasons we own airplanes is pride of ownership.

This makes me sad. Makes me want to sell and rent.

It's possible to restore old paint. You'd be surprised what you can polish
out. Older planes were actually painted with very high quality paint that
can be restored. Chips can be polished and filled with paint. There's not
much you can do with rust spots other than remove it and have the paint
matched, but it should at least be tended to before it gets worse. You can
either have all that done professionally or you can do it yourself. The
following web site would be a great place to start:



It's not old paint. The paint is probably only six years old. My car
is also six years old, but I know I can replace my car when ever I get
sick of it. Planes are not so easy to exchange, and I would just get
another old plane anyway. At least this one has very few non-cosmetic
squawks (dang nose wheel shimmy).

I could rent and save money and still fly the same amount, but then I
would not have pride of ownership. I have a $20,000 Cessna 150. It
flies just fine but the cosmetics just don't touch a $20,000 car.
This reduces the pride of ownership and makes me more likely to sell
and rent. Of course renting is a pain in the butt here (there is one
plane; everyone must share it).

-still sad

Touch up paint works wonders, my old paint was a perfect match with Ford
Engine Blue, but we repainted. I should find a "match" for the "new"
paint as there are a few spots that could use a touch up. We either
have to stop wearing wedding rings or deal with the fact that the paint
will be chipped off the handle we use to get up on the wing.

Margy (spent the day polishing the spinner!)

gatt writes:

Thanks for clearing that up for all the pilots and aircraft owners,
Anthony. I'm sure without your experience it would never occur to them.

It certainly would never occur to some of them, given the exceptions of which
I've become aware.