Russian jets crash within minutes of each other

AP is saying two Russian jets crashed less than six minutes apart. Both
airplanes departed Moscow. One crashed 120 miles south of Moscow and the
other is presumed crashed 600 miles south of Moscow.

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C J Campbell wrote:
AP is saying two Russian jets crashed less than six minutes apart. Both

I've been on the phone calling my friends at Siberia Airlines in the
middle of their night making sure they're alive, luckily they're all
accounted for, but a crew of their best friends is lost :-/


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"C J Campbell" wrote in
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AP is saying two Russian jets crashed less than six minutes apart. Both
airplanes departed Moscow. One crashed 120 miles south of Moscow and the
other is presumed crashed 600 miles south of Moscow.

Fuel problem???

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"James M. Knox" wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in
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AP is saying two Russian jets crashed less than six minutes apart. Both
airplanes departed Moscow. One crashed 120 miles south of Moscow and the
other is presumed crashed 600 miles south of Moscow.

Fuel problem???

Unlikely -- if it were a fuel problem, they would have had plenty of
time to get off some radio calls describing their problems. According to
the news, at least one got off a hijacking TXP code.

My thought is Chechen Islamist terrorists attempting to make a statement
about the upcoming Chechen elections.

Kyle Boatright wrote:
What fuel problem would cause a jet to go down *right now*?

TWA800

Gimli Glider? It glided for 10-15 minutes before landing, and a Soviet
airliner probably wouldn't do much worse..

There was a Gimli glider style landing performed by Tupolev Tu-204 (757 lookalike)
performed at night in Siberia after running out of fuel on the way to an alternate.
They were lucky to be flying a latest Tupolev, since the older Tu-154
(one of the involved in yesterday's crash) have no RATs and their hydraulic system
is completely dependent on the engines running (there are three of them plus APU after
all), once they flame out, the -154 becomes uncontrollable and enters agriculture.
Tu-134 on the other hand is old enough not to posesses hydraulic controls at all,
other than a yaw damper, so this shortcoming becomes an advantage in such case.

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"James M. Knox" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in
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AP is saying two Russian jets crashed less than six minutes apart. Both
airplanes departed Moscow. One crashed 120 miles south of Moscow and the
other is presumed crashed 600 miles south of Moscow.

Fuel problem???

What fuel problem would cause a jet to go down *right now*? Airliners glide
decently and a crew with even a little training would get off a mayday call
and try and work the situation in the time it would take a flamed-out
airliner to go down. A back of the envelope figure is that an airliner
probably has a sink rate of 2500 fpm or less in glider mode... Remember the
Gimli Glider? It glided for 10-15 minutes before landing, and a Soviet
airliner probably wouldn't do much worse...

KB

Orval Fairbairn wrote in
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Fuel problem???

Unlikely -- if it were a fuel problem, they would have had plenty of
time to get off some radio calls describing their problems. According
to the news, at least one got off a hijacking TXP code.

My thought is Chechen Islamist terrorists attempting to make a
statement about the upcoming Chechen elections.

You are right, of course. At the time all I had heard was that they both
went down, within minutes of each other. No word about radio calls or not.
Based on later news, I agree that fuel issues are VERY unlikely.
Unfortunately, that brings up the distinct probability that it was
deliberate.

jmk

James M. Knox opined

Orval Fairbairn wrote in
news et:

Fuel problem???

Unlikely -- if it were a fuel problem, they would have had plenty of
time to get off some radio calls describing their problems. According
to the news, at least one got off a hijacking TXP code.

My thought is Chechen Islamist terrorists attempting to make a
statement about the upcoming Chechen elections.

You are right, of course. At the time all I had heard was that they both
went down, within minutes of each other. No word about radio calls or not.
Based on later news, I agree that fuel issues are VERY unlikely.
Unfortunately, that brings up the distinct probability that it was
deliberate.

And if it were fuel issues, _lots_ of planes would be having problems.


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"James M. Knox" wrote:

Fuel problem???

No. The BBC reported yesterday that an explosion was seen on one of the aircraft
before it went down and that the other plane sent indications of being hijacked (I
assume something like a transponder code) shortly before disappearing.

The report continued that any sort of mechanical problem would almost certainly have
allowed the flight crew time to radio a message.

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he gives it to.

"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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James M. Knox opined
And if it were fuel issues, _lots_ of planes would be having problems.

Must be that 80 octane stuff...