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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
Robert M. Gary writes:
I have no doubt that our buddy from France firmly believes he can land a 747 if necessary. In fact he's done it hundreds of times. If the airplane is normally airworthy and with the use of automation, I have virtually no doubt of it. Flying by hand is much more uncertain, depending on many things. |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
They tried, in one previous show, to duplicate the old cartoon shotgun
barrel blow up with the barrel unwinding. They tried to use modern shotguns which are made from solid tubular steel. Shotguns made before about 1920 were generally made by wrapping steel wire around a mandrel and using the old blacksmith welding with a hammer and anvil. Those barrels would have flaws and weak spots. What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to use the radio to even start the "rescue." Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on how to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that? "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... | On Dec 8, 9:32 pm, Jim Logajan wrote: | "Jamie and Adam take wing to test if a person with no flight training can | safely land an airplane and if a plane can take off from a conveyor belt | speeding in the opposite direction. Tory, Grant, and Kari jump on some | Hollywood-inspired skydiving myths." | | Quoted from the Discovery channel schedule:http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedule...=1.13056.24704.... | | (My local paper's weekly TV schedule has just the brief summary "Landing a | 747" so I presume the plane they attempt to land without training is a 747. | Will be interesting to see if they try the real thing and are not limited | to a simulator.) | | I have no doubt that our buddy from France firmly believes he can land | a 747 if necessary. In fact he's done it hundreds of times. | | -Robert |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
For those outside the US, you can find it with a search for
mythbusters on piratebay.org now, but you didn't hear that from me. |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
On Dec 13, 10:19 pm, James Sleeman wrote:
For those outside the US, you can find it with a search for mythbusters on piratebay.org now, but you didn't hear that from me. Argh, before anybody else does, don't bother if you're only wanting plane ona treadmill, because, they dropped it from the episode. Quoting from the MythBusters forum... --- Begin Quote --- I have just received an email from Dan Tapster, executive producer of MythBusters. Thanks to all the activity, he can't log in and asked me to post this for him. quote: "Adam? Jamie? Dan? Someone step up and tell us what happened tonight." Dear all, As wbarnhill called out, I thought I should step in to what is rapidly becoming a hornet's nest. I will try to calm things down but I don't hold out much hope! First up, for those concerned that this story has been cancelled, don't worry, planes on a conveyer belt has been filmed, is spectacular, and will be part of what us Mythbusters refer to as 'episode 97'. Currently that is due to air on January 30th. Secondly, for those very aggrieved fans feeling "duped" into watching tonight's show, I can only apologise. I'm not sure why the listings / internet advertised that tonight's show contained POCB. I will endeavour to find out an answer but for those conspiracy theorists amongst you, I can assure you that it will have just been an honest mistake. At one point several months ago, POCB was going to be part of Airplane Hour. Somewhere, someone has mistakenly posted the wrong listing. It will have been a genuine mistake but nonetheless it was a mistake which is unacceptable. As said I will try to find out what went wrong and hope that you will see fit to forgive the team at Discovery. Thanks in advance, Dan And with that, the entire board is going "READ ONLY" until I can clean up the mess. MythMod --- End Quote --- |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
"Casey Wilson" wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message ... johnsonbomb wrote: Dude, it's mythbusters. These guys are freaking brilliant and they will cover this thing from all angles. I can assure you. yeah, like when they shot frozen chickens thru a Cherokee windshield and applied the results to airliners. Brilliant. But they did do a mostly reasonable job with piercing the skin of a pressurized fuselage with a 9mm. The shaped charge part was hokey. And frightening. I think the results of the "experiment" caught everyone off-guard. I know I for one have resolved to NEVER, EVER place a shaped charge against the wall of an aircraft I'm flying on. Mark" wouldn't be prudent" Hickey |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
On Dec 13, 4:11 am, James Sleeman wrote:
On Dec 13, 10:19 pm, James Sleeman wrote: For those outside the US, you can find it with a search for mythbusters on piratebay.org now, but you didn't hear that from me. Argh, before anybody else does, don't bother if you're only wanting plane ona treadmill, because, they dropped it from the episode. Quoting from the MythBusters forum... --- Begin Quote --- I have just received an email from Dan Tapster, executive producer of MythBusters. Thanks to all the activity, he can't log in and asked me to post this for him. quote: "Adam? Jamie? Dan? Someone step up and tell us what happened tonight." Dear all, As wbarnhill called out, I thought I should step in to what is rapidly becoming a hornet's nest. I will try to calm things down but I don't hold out much hope! First up, for those concerned that this story has been cancelled, don't worry, planes on a conveyer belt has been filmed, is spectacular, and will be part of what us Mythbusters refer to as 'episode 97'. Currently that is due to air on January 30th. Secondly, for those very aggrieved fans feeling "duped" into watching tonight's show, I can only apologise. I'm not sure why the listings / internet advertised that tonight's show contained POCB. I will endeavour to find out an answer but for those conspiracy theorists amongst you, I can assure you that it will have just been an honest mistake. At one point several months ago, POCB was going to be part of Airplane Hour. Somewhere, someone has mistakenly posted the wrong listing. It will have been a genuine mistake but nonetheless it was a mistake which is unacceptable. As said I will try to find out what went wrong and hope that you will see fit to forgive the team at Discovery. Thanks in advance, Dan And with that, the entire board is going "READ ONLY" until I can clean up the mess. MythMod --- End Quote --- I want the treadmill..... I want the treadmill.... :)). Lil ben |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... They tried, in one previous show, to duplicate the old cartoon shotgun barrel blow up with the barrel unwinding. They tried to use modern shotguns which are made from solid tubular steel. Shotguns made before about 1920 were generally made by wrapping steel wire around a mandrel and using the old blacksmith welding with a hammer and anvil. Those barrels would have flaws and weak spots. More like 1880 than 1920. "Damascus" barrels were not really produced after the 1880's or so, long before the introduction of smokeless powder around 1900. Smokeless powder would easily destroy such a barrel. |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
On Dec 13, 3:11 am, James Sleeman wrote:
On Dec 13, 10:19 pm, James Sleeman wrote: For those outside the US, you can find it with a search for mythbusters on piratebay.org now, but you didn't hear that from me. Argh, before anybody else does, don't bother if you're only wanting plane ona treadmill, because, they dropped it from the episode. Quoting from the MythBusters forum... --- Begin Quote --- I have just received an email from Dan Tapster, executive producer of MythBusters. Thanks to all the activity, he can't log in and asked me to post this for him. quote: "Adam? Jamie? Dan? Someone step up and tell us what happened tonight." Dear all, As wbarnhill called out, I thought I should step in to what is rapidly becoming a hornet's nest. I will try to calm things down but I don't hold out much hope! First up, for those concerned that this story has been cancelled, don't worry, planes on a conveyer belt has been filmed, is spectacular, and will be part of what us Mythbusters refer to as 'episode 97'. Currently that is due to air on January 30th. Secondly, for those very aggrieved fans feeling "duped" into watching tonight's show, I can only apologise. I'm not sure why the listings / internet advertised that tonight's show contained POCB. I will endeavour to find out an answer but for those conspiracy theorists amongst you, I can assure you that it will have just been an honest mistake. At one point several months ago, POCB was going to be part of Airplane Hour. Somewhere, someone has mistakenly posted the wrong listing. It will have been a genuine mistake but nonetheless it was a mistake which is unacceptable. As said I will try to find out what went wrong and hope that you will see fit to forgive the team at Discovery. Thanks in advance, Dan And with that, the entire board is going "READ ONLY" until I can clean up the mess. MythMod --- End Quote --- Aha! It is a conspiracy. If it weren't they wouldn't be trying to deny it! I wasted an evening waiting for 10 p.m., went through a 6 pack...oops I guess it wasn't 'wasted' after all. Harry K Looking forward to Jan 30th. |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote: What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to use the radio to even start the "rescue." Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on how to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that? Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment" value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA after the pilot became incapacitated. FB |
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FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour
F. Baum wrote:
On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin" wrote: What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to use the radio to even start the "rescue." Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on how to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that? Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment" value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA after the pilot became incapacitated. FB The big rub in the equation are of course the variables. They are HUGE in this equation and any one of them could take out the airplane. Just off the top of my head, one has to factor in the EXACT aircraft in the scenario, as each airline has the option to customize their cockpits to whatever the chief pilot wanted installed at the time of the contract signing with the manufacturer. This aspect alone might well require a company pilot completely familiar with the cockpit of THAT specific airplane, as even in type, changes are made to the cockpit configurations during a manufacturing run as requested by the front office, so that you might have one airplane with a switch or lever "here" and another with it "there". Then you have the issue of getting this company guy familiar with THIS cockpit on the radio and in touch with the guy trying to land the airplane. THEN you need a guy in the cockpit who can not only follow directions NOW, but follow them CORRECTLY and in real time. Notice we're talking here about a manually controlled landing. If the aircraft AND the landing facility are BOTH equipped accordingly, autoland might be a possibility and negate the manual landing. All things considered, my vote goes to doing it in the simulator with the help of the sim instructor but a high risk factor for losing a real aircraft in the manual mode. Could be done of course, but I wouldn't want to be a passenger on that one for sure :-) -- Dudley Henriques |
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