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February 12th 04, 12:47 AM
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How not to land an MD-80
Oops: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6kuhd/MD-80.mpg
Investigation: http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR82-02.pdf HECTOP PP-ASEL-IA http://www.maxho.com maxho_at_maxho.com 
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February 12th 04, 02:19 AM
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YIKES!!!!!
Dave On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:47:43 -0500, "HECTOP" wrote: http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR82-02.pdf
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February 12th 04, 04:03 AM
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this was a hard landing test conducted during the certification
it was posted on Avweb BT "HECTOP" wrote in message . .. Oops: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6kuhd/MD-80.mpg Investigation: http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR82-02.pdf HECTOP PP-ASEL-IA http://www.maxho.com maxho_at_maxho.com
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#4
February 12th 04, 08:17 AM
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In article 4WCWb.15536$IF1.11778@fed1read01,
"BTIZ" wrote: this was a hard landing test conducted during the certification it was posted on Avweb Not quite. According to the report, they were trying to determine the minimum horizontal distance required for landing. -- Larry Fransson Aviation software for Mac OS X! http://www.subcritical.com
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#5
February 12th 04, 03:37 PM
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"BTIZ" wrote in message news:4WCWb.15536$IF1.11778@fed1read01...
this was a hard landing test conducted during the certification it was posted on Avweb Short field.... Here's the accident report: http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR82-02.pdf
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February 16th 04, 08:45 PM
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"Larry Fransson" wrote in message Not quite. According to the report,
they were trying to determine the minimum horizontal distance required for landing. Not quite- It's an example of what my co-pilots try to do to me every day. D. :-)
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#7
February 17th 04, 05:48 AM
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"HECTOP" wrote in message
. .. Oops: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6kuhd/MD-80.mpg Investigation: http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR82-02.pdf This link always gets "operation timed out" at my end. Is this the correct link? Is it still active? Thanks Trentus
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#8
February 17th 04, 04:24 PM
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Trentus
Just went to link and scrolled down to bottom ok. Big John On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:48:59 +1100, "Trentus" wrote: "HECTOP" wrote in message ... Oops: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6kuhd/MD-80.mpg Investigation: http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR82-02.pdf This link always gets "operation timed out" at my end. Is this the correct link? Is it still active? Thanks Trentus
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#9
February 18th 04, 06:28 PM
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"Capt.Doug" wrote in message ...
"Larry Fransson" wrote in message Not quite. According to the report, they were trying to determine the minimum horizontal distance required for landing. Not quite- It's an example of what my co-pilots try to do to me every day. D. :-) Funny Doug, I was just wondering what your reaction would be. :^D I'm impressed with you "flying stovepipe" pilots. Is PIO easy in that thing? The clip kinda reminded me of a typical f/o approach into Kaohsiung (one-way airport ILS) with 18kt tailwind shearing to ten on ground. 1000 fpm down, no real flare, hope I don't have to take it away again... But the old gen of airplanes 9's, L-10's (jmpstng) 72's, 10's, 74's & early buses seemed stouter and could take a real earthquake. It looked O.K. untill the last very last part when the tires did the cartoon thing and the tail fell off. ;-) Mr. Douglas really had a knack for stretching things didn't he? The MD-11 drivers tell me it's "one of those airplanes" (that's dangerous to land) since the stab is so small, and if the tail software load screws up, you hit hard (no elev authority) and then if one wing spar cracks, the other keeps flying and you wind up on your head. Yikes is right. pac "high blood pressure" plyer (Those Edwards guys broke the tst MD-11 in half during hard ldg tsts, 1400fpm in flare, plated it back together and we bought it. gulp.)
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#10
February 23rd 04, 05:57 AM
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"pacplyer" wrote in message Is PIO easy in that thing?
PIO isn't much of a problem. The DC-9-30 series is easy to land. The MD-81 put some 40% more weight on the same wing. It bleeds off speed so quickly that some pilots get caught. The JT8-Ds can take a long time to spool which doesn't help. Additionally, the elevator isn't very effective at Vref -5. Pull back to flare and nothing happens. This is good for a laugh when others try to emmulate me without realizing that I use stab trim when I'm flaring. The MD-11 drivers tell me it's "one of those airplanes" (that's dangerous to land) since the stab is so small, and if the tail software load screws up, you hit hard (no elev authority) and then if one wing spar cracks, the other keeps flying and you wind up on your head. A retired DC-10 friend mentioned that tailstrikes in the flare happen frequently with those planes. D.
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