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snipped petty sniping and name calling
Hey boys!!!! how about a cease fire, I'm sure your both right!!. so if you just want to call each other names, or question each others sexualality/virility/intellegence/expertise/(insert any measure of ones worth)... Can you please email each other with the lovey dovey stuff.. Go on.... try behaving like adults just for a while.... you might get to like it, and the rest of us will not have to wade through several dozen post with **** poor one line insults.. Thanks in anticipation line into raving obsession. Celebration, Scotty. You were wrong all along. Maybe you'll prove it by posting some pictures of those strakes. Why? With you batting zero here at ram, you lack the credibility to even question me. LOL The doc needs to change your meds. Either that or you need to put down the crack pipe. Cease your projection, little kook troll. |
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I love this aircraft. Look out world Typhoon is coming!"
This strikes me as very much like the people who love the sports teams who beat the teams they dislike, even when having no affiliation with either. I imagine we won't hear much of this a few years down the line when 22s are 'trouncing' the rest. |
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Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the Brits made the decision to
save money and not fit the 27MM mauser in the Typhoon. Wonder what they shot the 15's with? did they have cameras? "John Cook" wrote in message ... Hi all Just saw this and it peaked my interest.. "The New Air Superiority Benchmark Thursday the 19th of February 2004 will mark the day when the undisputed king of air superiority had to surrender its thirty-year crown to a newcomer. It happened over the skies of Windermere, in the scenic English Lake District. Two Eurofighter Typhoon twin-seaters were on the first RAF formation training flight from Warton Aerodrome when they were bounced from the eight o'clock by a couple of F-15Es belonging to the USAFE's 48th TFW, probably the most formidable and experienced combat unit in the European theatre. The Typhoon crew did not seem to be intimidated and with two rapid counters ended up on the F-15 tail, comfortably gunning the trailing one, who was in full afterburner, wings rocking and wondering what had happened. It is fair to expect that the most surprised by this first encounter result would be the F15 crew, used to dominate the skies since the mid-seventies and with an exchange ratio record of 101 wins to zero losses, and a bunch of die-hard Eurofighter critics without much knowledge of the new fighter air combat capabilities. It is understandable if the RAF rookies would also show their surprise at the outcome, as one does not expect to win an air engagement on the first training sortie with a brand new machine against one of the best combat units in the world, riding what up to now has been the best fighter in history. But that is history now! Those definitely not surprised by what the events over the Lake District skies signify are the top echelon in the Air Combat Command, the Chief of Staff and the RAND Corp. analysts and boffins. They have been saying for years that the F-15 is no match to the new generation of European fighters and even to the Su-35 Flanker. They know what they say: their operational analyses studies and other simulated evaluations-as indeed have ours, both at the industry and government level-have shown that the F-15 is unable to gain air superiority against Eurofighter Typhoon. Now they have the first real indication that their worries were not unjustified and that the F/A-22 was the right choice, if they want to maintain the air superiority also in the future." http://users.boardnation.com/~warpla...y;threadid=445 Cheers |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:30:34 -0600, "t_mark" wrote:
I love this aircraft. Look out world Typhoon is coming!" This strikes me as very much like the people who love the sports teams who beat the teams they dislike, even when having no affiliation with either. I imagine we won't hear much of this a few years down the line when 22s are 'trouncing' the rest. Hmmm.. is that the 22 x F-22's ;-), you know its changing from a silver bullet force to a Golden BB force.. I would imaging you'll hear it quite often as the very very few F-22 won't have time to play games. Whats the latest? is it sub 200 yet?. I imagine we won't hear much of this a few years down the line when UCAV's are 'trouncing' the rest. Cheers |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:01:09 -0600, "Rick Folkers"
wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the Brits made the decision to save money and not fit the 27MM mauser in the Typhoon. Wonder what they shot the 15's with? did they have cameras? The first 55 RAF Typhoons will have the Cannon, The next tranches for the RAF may have it, officially its been dropped!!, but some people in the know seem to think differently..... Wait for the tranche 2 negotiations to conclude within (if the present rumours are true) the next 3-6 months. Cheers |
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John Cook wrote: Hi all Just saw this and it peaked my interest.. "The New Air Superiority Benchmark Thursday the 19th of February 2004 will mark the day when the undisputed king of air superiority had to surrender its thirty-year crown to a newcomer. It happened over the skies of Windermere, in the scenic English Lake District. Two Eurofighter Typhoon twin-seaters were on the first RAF formation training flight from Warton Aerodrome when they were bounced from the eight o'clock by a couple of F-15Es belonging to the USAFE's 48th TFW, probably the most formidable and experienced combat unit in the European theatre. The Typhoon crew did not seem to be intimidated and with two rapid counters ended up on the F-15 tail, comfortably gunning the trailing one, who was in full afterburner, wings rocking and wondering what had happened. It is fair to expect that the most surprised by this first encounter result would be the F15 crew, used to dominate the skies since the mid-seventies and with an exchange ratio record of 101 wins to zero losses, and a bunch of die-hard Eurofighter critics without much knowledge of the new fighter air combat capabilities. It is understandable if the RAF rookies would also show their surprise at the outcome, as one does not expect to win an air engagement on the first training sortie with a brand new machine against one of the best combat units in the world, riding what up to now has been the best fighter in history. But that is history now! Those definitely not surprised by what the events over the Lake District skies signify are the top echelon in the Air Combat Command, the Chief of Staff and the RAND Corp. analysts and boffins. They have been saying for years that the F-15 is no match to the new generation of European fighters and even to the Su-35 Flanker. They know what they say: their operational analyses studies and other simulated evaluations-as indeed have ours, both at the industry and government level-have shown that the F-15 is unable to gain air superiority against Eurofighter Typhoon. Now they have the first real indication that their worries were not unjustified and that the F/A-22 was the right choice, if they want to maintain the air superiority also in the future." http://users.boardnation.com/~warpla...y;threadid=445 Cheers Usually, F-15E's carry Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs). These are not often removed, as it's a hassle, and for Strike Eagle missions, the range/weapons carriage is worth more than the loss in maneuverability. These would have seriously compromised the ACM capabilities of the F-15Es in the incident discussed. This is not to say that the Eurofighter does or does not have an advantage over the F-15E in ACM, just that this incident tells one very little, without knowing how the aircraft were outfitted. Does anyone know if the F-15Es in this scenario were carrying CFTs? |
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"Mike Zaharis" wrote in message ... John Cook wrote: Hi all Just saw this and it peaked my interest.. "The New Air Superiority Benchmark Thursday the 19th of February 2004 will mark the day when the undisputed king of air superiority had to surrender its thirty-year crown to a newcomer. It happened over the skies of Windermere, in the scenic English Lake District. Two Eurofighter Typhoon twin-seaters were on the first RAF formation training flight from Warton Aerodrome when they were bounced from the eight o'clock by a couple of F-15Es belonging to the USAFE's 48th TFW, probably the most formidable and experienced combat unit in the European theatre. The Typhoon crew did not seem to be intimidated and with two rapid counters ended up on the F-15 tail, comfortably gunning the trailing one, who was in full afterburner, wings rocking and wondering what had happened. It is fair to expect that the most surprised by this first encounter result would be the F15 crew, used to dominate the skies since the mid-seventies and with an exchange ratio record of 101 wins to zero losses, and a bunch of die-hard Eurofighter critics without much knowledge of the new fighter air combat capabilities. It is understandable if the RAF rookies would also show their surprise at the outcome, as one does not expect to win an air engagement on the first training sortie with a brand new machine against one of the best combat units in the world, riding what up to now has been the best fighter in history. But that is history now! Those definitely not surprised by what the events over the Lake District skies signify are the top echelon in the Air Combat Command, the Chief of Staff and the RAND Corp. analysts and boffins. They have been saying for years that the F-15 is no match to the new generation of European fighters and even to the Su-35 Flanker. They know what they say: their operational analyses studies and other simulated evaluations-as indeed have ours, both at the industry and government level-have shown that the F-15 is unable to gain air superiority against Eurofighter Typhoon. Now they have the first real indication that their worries were not unjustified and that the F/A-22 was the right choice, if they want to maintain the air superiority also in the future." http://users.boardnation.com/~warpla...on=display;thr eadid=445 Cheers Usually, F-15E's carry Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs). These are not often removed, as it's a hassle, and for Strike Eagle missions, the range/weapons carriage is worth more than the loss in maneuverability. These would have seriously compromised the ACM capabilities of the F-15Es in the incident discussed. This is not to say that the Eurofighter does or does not have an advantage over the F-15E in ACM, just that this incident tells one very little, without knowing how the aircraft were outfitted. Does anyone know if the F-15Es in this scenario were carrying CFTs? The pictures I've seen of the F15 don't (obviously at least) show any CFTs. |
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In message , Krztalizer
writes Reminds me of the "shocking" 'loss' between the USN and the IAF that was reported here a year or so back. Or Jeff Ethell reporting how the Chilean Air Force beat a US Navy carrier group 56-20. You need to know the ROE and the purpose of the exercise before drawing too many conclusions. -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:56:09 +0000, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote: In message , Krztalizer writes Reminds me of the "shocking" 'loss' between the USN and the IAF that was reported here a year or so back. Or Jeff Ethell reporting how the Chilean Air Force beat a US Navy carrier group 56-20. You need to know the ROE and the purpose of the exercise before drawing too many conclusions. I've emailed the 48th TFW for an answer.. as below:- "Could you please help me with some information in regard to an incident on Thursday the 19th of February 2004 over the skies of Windermere, it is reported that Two Eurofighter Typhoon twin-seaters were bounced from the eight o'clock by a couple of F-15Es appaerently belonging to the USAFE's 48th TFW. Could you please give me some background information on this incident. Firstly Did this happen?, and If so 1. Was it an preplanned exercise?. 2. Which aircraft from the 48th were involved. 3. What was their loadout, eg Conformal fuel tanks, weapons. 4. what happend?. Many thanks" now its wait n see cheers |
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , Krztalizer writes Reminds me of the "shocking" 'loss' between the USN and the IAF that was reported here a year or so back. Or Jeff Ethell reporting how the Chilean Air Force beat a US Navy carrier group 56-20. You need to know the ROE and the purpose of the exercise before drawing too many conclusions. Always the whining excuses. Rod |
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