Effect of Light Sport on General Aviation

"James M. Knox" wrote in message

It's not entirely clear yet exactly how all this could translate for those
pursuing a regular PP-ASEL. For example, could you do all your training
in
a Zodiac certificated under Light Sport but still get a regular PP ticket?

In case my previous post is confusing, I'll try to make this a bit more
orderly.

1. Ultralight. Time in an ultralight can be logged and used toward a sport
pilot certificate.The ultralight would not need to be classed as a
light-sport aircraft. 20 hours of logged ultralight time with proper
instruction would make the pilot eligible for a sport pilot certificate.
Ultralight time cannot however be used for a higher rating than sport pilot.
This would make most current ultralight pilots eligible for a sport pilot
certificate with only a little ground school and an instructor's
endorsement.

2. Sport pilot. You can receive a sport pilot certificate with 20 hours
flight time. With 150 logged hours and 100 hours as pilot in command, you
can apply for a flight instructor certificate with sport pilot rating; this
is not the same as a regular instructor certificate. This is basically a
sport pilot with an instructor rating; and this instructor can only give
instruction for sport pilot. The distinction is that this instructor could
have 100 hours in an ultralight counting as part of his hours and only needs
50 hours in a regular aircraft.

3. Higher ratings. All logged time and instruction for sport pilot is
credited to higher ratings.

4. You should be able to obtain a private pilot certificate in a light-sport
aircraft (like a Zodiac) if the instructor has a regular instructor rating
and not merely a sport pilot instructor rating. Because the pilot has a
rating higher than sport pilot, the aircraft is counted the same as a
certified aircraft.

5. A private pilot certificate encompasses sport pilot; so, the holder of a
private pilot's license is already qualified for everything in sport pilot
except as regards specific type ratings. For example, to fly a powered
chute, the private pilot would still need instruction for a powered chute
and a logbook endorsement from reviewer who was not the instructor. This is
basically the same as is currently done for sailplanes, lighter than air,
and hot air balloons. The new regulations simply add weight shift and
powered chutes as distinct types.

Similarly, a regular instructors rating encompasses the sport pilot
instructors rating. Regular instructors can give instruction for sport
pilots without any additional requirement other than a minimum of 5 hours
logged pilot in command time in the specific make and model used for
instruction.

"Brent Rehmel"

I don't believe you are
allowed to do instruction in an experimental, \

You can, for example buy a homebuilt, them hire an instructor to give you
dual in your homebuilt.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
You can, for example buy a homebuilt, them hire an instructor to give you
dual in your homebuilt.

Okay, that's what I thought. A flight school couldn't use one. This is quite
a difference because flight schools will be able to use light-sport
aircraft.

"Brent Rehmel" wrote
I don't believe you are
allowed to do instruction in an experimental, but even if you can, this
wouldn't be practical anyway since a flight school would have to asemble
51%
of each aircraft.

As an instructor you can instruct in your own homebuilt with an EAA
exemption... but not primary instruction.

Check out "Experimental Aircraft Rentals":
http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/182021-1.html

Eric

But.... A sport pilot certificate is only for a particular model of sport
aircraft. If I get a SP Cert for a Zenith 601XL I can't go fly a Zenith 701
though both should qualify under SP.


"Brent Rehmel" wrote in message
et...

"Eric Miller" wrote in message

The proposed regs as written are still somewhat vague about the ATP
weight-shift category and class...
Maybe no one meets the MINIMUM weight requirements! =D

It doesn't really matter since current ultralights count as time for a
sport-pilot certificate. So, this should encompass everything now flying.

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
...
But.... A sport pilot certificate is only for a particular model of sport
aircraft. If I get a SP Cert for a Zenith 601XL I can't go fly a Zenith
701
though both should qualify under SP.

You can fly the 701 by simply getting a check-out and endorsement in it once
you have a SP license. This is similar to getting a tail-wheel endorsement
on your PPL after you have been flying 152/172 for your entire career.

Rick Pellicciotti

"James M. Knox" wrote in message:
I asked Phil Boyer what he thought of it, namely would it help attract new
pilots. He said essentially no, he expected pretty close to zero (and
admittedly any is better than none) new pilots.

What he *did* expect, and was pleased with, was an increase in the total
number of active pilots from passage of SLA. These would come from
returning pilots who had lost their medical, plus additional retention of
the older pilot population as they keep flying longer.

As you say, we'll see.

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James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
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Keep in mind that AOPA and EAA are very competitive over the Sport
Pilot initiative. EAA views it as “their” concept and are
positioning themselves to take full credit for lobbying for and
obtaining all of the perceived benefits, while emphasizing to their
membership that AOPA, in comparison, has done little to advance the
whole idea. At the same time, AOPA views the concept as mostly
benefiting ultralight pilots – a segment of the pilot community
that AOPA has traditionally shunned. The only benefit AOPA sees is the
driver’s license medical, which AOPA tried to extend to the
Recreational Pilot certificate and failed to do so.

So it is not surprising to hear Phil Boyer making statements that
downplay the Sport Pilot rule, except for the part that he has lobbied
for.

"Bryan Martin" wrote in message
...
in article , James M. Knox at
wrote on 9/22/03 9:38 AM:

For example, could you do all your training in
a Zodiac certificated under Light Sport but still get a regular PP
ticket?

Not without a night flight restriction.

Bryan, what are you talking about; what night flight restriction? There is
no night flight restriction when a pilot with a private pilots license or
higher gets into a light-sport aircraft. That restriction only applies when
the pilot in command has a sport pilot certificate. We are assuming that the
intructor is a regular instructor and not a sport pilot instructor; if the
instructor were sport pilot then the night restriction would apply.